submitted 1 month ago by kescusay to c/politics

This is happening right now.

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[-] kescusay 67 points 1 month ago

Never a good sign when a defense lawyer starts trying to rephrase the prosecution's argument, and the judge has to step in to correct the defense lawyer.

[-] ghostdoggtv 5 points 1 month ago

Subjective lol

[-] APassenger 5 points 1 month ago

So is the Chewbacca defense their whole plan?

Confuse people until they can't figure out how to decide?

[-] kescusay 59 points 1 month ago

Trump lawyer is currently trying to make the case that Trump had a First Amendment right to interfere with the election.

[-] Witchfire 28 points 1 month ago

But somehow flying a pride flag isn't protected speech 🙄

[-] jordanlund 7 points 1 month ago

Or Hunter Biden lying on the ATF form to buy a gun...

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

The dimwits worshipping Donald would be praising and cheering anyone else who lies to the ATF to get a firearm.

[-] runswithjedi 24 points 1 month ago

People have the right to say and do all kinds of illegal things. The First Amendment doesn't protect you from the consequences of those actions.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Repugs just can’t get this through their thick skulls - freedom to act does not grant freedom from consequence.

[-] BradleyUffner 45 points 1 month ago

Is he honestly claiming that electors are not public officers because they only serve for a short time?

[-] kescusay 37 points 1 month ago

Yes, that's exactly what he's doing. It's gotta be hard to be a Trump lawyer and try to defend this crap.

[-] jordanlund 41 points 1 month ago

Stickied because this is important.

The case that Trump lawyers keep referencing is US Vs. Alvarez which is worth reading up on.


Alvarez was elected to local public office and introduced himself in a hearing as a Marine of 25 years and winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor.

Neither of which were true and ended up being prosecuted under the Stolen Valor Act of 2005.

That act was struck down by a 6-3 Supreme Court decision, but Alvarez remained imprisoned on fraud and other charges.

The key differences between his case and the Trump case is that he didn't make the false statements to the government, he made them to the public, AND, they weren't in service of a larger conspiracy.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

they weren’t in service of a larger conspiracy.

Yeah… because it basically was the larger conspiracy.

Edit: lol reading comprehension, derp

[-] Passerby6497 10 points 1 month ago

I think they're referring to the Alvarez case with those comments.

[-] kescusay 41 points 1 month ago

Prosecutor basically completely disassembled the defense lawyer's absurd argument.

[-] BradleyUffner 29 points 1 month ago

Ha "you can't charge him with filling false documents because he was caught trying to file them, so they technically weren't filled."

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

This is either the best or worst lawyer in history

[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Oh please just put him in jail already.

[-] NineMileTower 31 points 1 month ago

They are postponing this case indefinitely due to the fact that the Judge's gavel is made from Walnut as opposed to the traditional Rosewood.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 18 points 1 month ago

What are the odds Trump goes full sovcit and starts signing things in red ink and complaining there's gold fringe on the flag?

[-] Viking_Hippie 11 points 1 month ago

Nah, Trump may be an enormous hypocrite, but he'd never complain about unnecessary gold anywhere..

[-] 0110010001100010 13 points 1 month ago

There is exactly zero chance he ever sees the inside of a jail cell even if he's not re-elected as president. He's white, rich, and too well connected.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure your last sentence is entirely accurate. He's white-ish (orange would be more accurate), rich-ish (highly overleveraged), and connected-ish (those that are not in prison are jumping ship).

Willing to concede the white/orange portion, but for a man who allegedly is worth billions he's having trouble scraping together enough money for bond. Those connections wouldn't even step up to post it for him or loan him the money to post.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

FYI, after the Truth Social IPO fraud, Trump's net worth is once again over $6B

Once again, Wall Street is doing its level best to support #fascism.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

That 6b is vaporware though. It'll have mostly disappeared before the 6 month hold expires.

[-] Nightwingdragon 13 points 1 month ago

There's not going to be a six month hold. Trump crammed the board of the shell company with cronys who can vote to waive the 6 month hold. Trump's plans are to unload the shares ASAP and just collect whatever they go for. Even if the stocks lose 90% of their value as a result, he would walk away with over half a billion in cash while the rest of his cronies are once again holding the bag and shocked when they realize that yes, the leopard will eat their faces too. Just like everyone else that came before them.

Then Truth Social will shutter and he'll be right back on Twitter complaining about how the radical left censored and cancelled him and Biden needs to be thrown in jail for it.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Are there no laws applicable to this situation?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Non that he'll be held accountable for.

[-] Okokimup 18 points 1 month ago

I don't care if he spends the next 20 years drinking daiquiris on the beach; I just want him to go away.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He won't be in a prison cell because of national security issues.

Trump will instead die in confinement in a shitty military barracks. There is already precedence for this with Nixon's lawyer (not the dying part).

[-] Zombiepirate 8 points 1 month ago

My money is on house arrest.

Sucks, but I'll take what I can get at this point.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

If that house arrest doesn't prevent him from social media there's no real point.

[-] KillerTofu 8 points 1 month ago

Tell that to Mr. Epstein who was ostensibly more wealthy and who did not commit suicide in a jail cell.

[-] jordanlund 6 points 1 month ago

They jailed Martha Stewart...

[-] Today 26 points 1 month ago

I was in the car for a bit and i think i heard them say that lies are good because they help you understand the truth. What?? Did that really happen? Honestly it's all so crazy that i can't remember what was real and what was a joke/meme anymore.

[-] kescusay 15 points 1 month ago

Yes. That really happened. My jaw 'bout hit the floor.

[-] CharlesDarwin 6 points 1 month ago

Isn't that one of the tools of fascism? And the kind of thing Bannon talks about - "flood the zone with shit".

[-] BradleyUffner 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Now we are at "we couldn't have impersonated electors because the electors weren't real electors anyway because we filed some bs election conspiracy lawsuit that wasn't dismissed yet". (I think, it's hard to follow his rambling)


[-] kescusay 16 points 1 month ago

That whole "fake elector" argument was mind-blowingly bad.

[-] BradleyUffner 15 points 1 month ago

Omg. "Calling them fake electors is mean, so you should dismiss this case"

[-] CharlesDarwin 4 points 1 month ago

I'm waiting for one of these goofballs to start mainstreaming the qtarded Bircher Society stuff about how capitalized names are not your "real" names and how it's not a "real" court if there is a flag with fringes on it (cuz something something Maritime Law, lol), etc....

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