Officer Joshua Coleman chased and shot an 18 year old in the back while they ran. Then had the audacity to tell him "I’m going to save your life.". This is the fifth (as if this article) shooting that this lunatic has been involved in. He was previously found to have bent tip(s) on his badge, which is something cops do to mark their fatal shootings. ACAB.
this post was submitted on 17 Mar 2024
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"I'm going to save your life" reeks of his God complex. He knows better than his damn government. And I wonder how long his camera battery has been dead. How many days.
I only know ONE police officer personally. And he's a huge egotistic sack of racist shit.
I knew 5 and they were all at least wife-beaters, and 3 beat their children.
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Disgusting. I hope he gets life.
You're telling me the police statement lied??? I am SHOCKED. yeah right.
Police statement are always false, always. Never believe them. That's why I didn't buy it a few days ago when everyone on Lemmy was saying the kid deserved it
Which is crazy because any doctor (or coroner) would recognize an entrance wound in the back.
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this is just murder
Should add conspiracy and interfering with an investigation to the murder charges
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The sheriff’s office did not release body camera video of the shooting as the sheriff’s office said Officer Joshua Coleman’s body camera batteries died before the pursuit and he hadn’t been able to return to the charging station.
How the fuck do they not have 12 charged backup batteries and 2 chargers in every car?!?!? I mean, I know how, but what the actual fuck.
Id be willing to bet the batteries were just fine. Or intentionally not charged.
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Those companies charge the taxpayers out the ass for those cameras and storage. I live in a very small town and it costs $60k/yr just for axon body and car cameras plus storage.
Worth every penny, and far from a large expense for cop budgets.
The LAPD cost more than 50% of the ENTIRE LA budget. Just the cops. Everything else combined costs less than one department.
If that footage is safe/secure/available and makes these murderous thugs think twice about pulling the trigger, then its worth twice the price.
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I don't know man, I'm all for police oversight, but this isn't a great example. This dude is running around a neighbourhood with a gun. Who says he doesn't go into one of those houses and some innocent person gets hurt.
The cop yelled at him to drop the gun and stop running, he didn't.
The part of them trying to cover it up after is shitty, but the action itself I can't really take the criminal's side. Again, image that's my neighbour with my kids playing in the area, I don't want some lunatic running around with a gun.
I realise what sub I'm in, and this isn't a popular opinion and that's fine. We need police reform, but this isn't a good example.
When people jump on everything with the same fervor it weakens your case because people start tuning you out.
"Somebody could potentially have been in danger later" doesn't justify murder.
Additionally, someone is innocent until proven guilty and that's not the cops job. The cop shot someone not guilty and now people are speculating about the crimes that person could have done to justify it
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I’m all for devils advocate and hearing all sides and all but…
Coleman has Been Involved in Four Other Shootings, was Previously Implicated in Fatal Shooting Scandal
If there’s a scent of shit everywhere you go, at some point you might want to check your shoes.
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In America, you are legally allowed to have a gun.
There's no real reason to think this guy was a criminal.
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"Coleman was implicated in court testimony in 2022 for participating in the Vallejo police badge bending scandal, where officers bent the tips of their badges to mark fatal shootings. Coleman testified his badge was bent against his will, but a department superior testified that he was more involved than he said and may have even helped spread the practice to other officers."
You make some good points in general, but Coleman seems to be everything a cop should not be...
They chased a traffic stop. This wasn't some crazed murderer on the run. And then the guy tried to comply with the order. He tried to drop his gun. But the officer shot him when he tried to.
The officer has also been involved in 4 other shootings.
So much for "most officers never even pull their gun..."
You can't go by what if. I'm so tired of people defending their stance because of whataboutism. It's a shitty argument. Dude was literally running for his life. I will be honest, I don't know the full extent of the situation yet, but I do agree with you that people shouldn't just jump on the bandwagon just because a cop shot someone. But just looking at the video, I don't see why this kid was shot. Did the kid shoot at the officer? Did the kid threaten the officer's life? Those are the questions I don't know.
Should I fear for my life just because I am carrying a gun? I live in an open carry state. I don't carry anymore, but I see plenty of people walking around with a weapon. my first thought isn't that the person is a criminal just because they carry and I really don't have much thought about it at all.
My views on this are still neutral until I know more information, but please don't go on about whataboutism.
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Doesn' matter, unless you have a reasonable belief that they will use that weapon unlawfully simply possessing it is nothing but an extra charge and you cannot shoot a fleeing suspect unless you have ras to believe that they are dangerous and that suspicion cannot be generalized and inarticulate.
So much this. If we aren't going to restrict possession of firearms in any way then we can't use that as a basis for intent. Just replace, "had a gun", with literally any other constitutionally protected right and this argument falls flat on its face.
"He was using words, we will never know if he was about to run into a theater and yell 'fire'..."
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This officer deserves to be imprisoned.
ACAB
How come all the pro-gun fuckstains that claim "guns keep police honest" are never in these threads saying "the kid should have opened fire on the cop" or "people in nearby houses should have threatened the cop with a gun"?
But nope, they just stick to threads about gun control and peddle the same rhetoric that crystal gripping hippies have used for decades. "My cancer-preventing crystals didn't prevent your cancer? Damn, imagine how much cancer you would have had without the crystals. You basically owe me your life. You better buy more."
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i read the article, saw the video and asked mysel
don't they have any law enforcement there ???
Oh man, this cop is in for a real threat. What is he going to do on his paid administrative leave?!?!?!
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And I'm guessing the paperwork filled at the time was lying about this detail
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