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I've been seeing a lot of anti-voting sentiment going around. Can't believe I have to say this, but you need to vote. Not only is there more to the election than just the president. (State policy, Senate, house), but not voting is not an act of protest. C'mon guys

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[–] [email protected] 139 points 8 months ago (27 children)

Seriously. I get feeling like you don't have much of a choice, but not voting is just giving up. Like, you're actively removing the little choice you have and handing democracy over to an overt fascist.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

Literally, indeed. (An up vote wasn't enough)

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Americans: do what you want in the primaries. Vote for Biden in the general, because he will be the nominee. I am not stoked about that, but that’s the choice our system gives us.

Non-Americans: please, please do a bit of research on how weird and fucked up and fractious our electoral system is before going off on someone for voting “undecided” in the primaries, which is how I voted myself. Compared to the nationally-organized stuff you guys seem to mostly rely on, ours could charitably be described as “intentionally byzantine”.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 months ago (1 children)

it's almost like the US is running a software written in the 1700s and that stopped receiving regular updates around the 1960s

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago

That’s… actually not a bad way to describe it.

Also note that we stopped updating our BIOS in 1929, which is the direct cause of this.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 8 months ago

100% agree with this. All of it.

I'm deeply dissatisfied with Biden. I'm angry with him for not pressuring Israel, and I was already angry at him even before that. And I will likely end up voting against him in the primary because of it. But realistically:

(1) He will be the Democratic nominee for President

(2) He is an infinitely better choice than the fascist who already attempted a coup once

(3) Either he or Trump will be the next president

There really is only one way to go in the general. Especially if you're here on Blahaj, which means you're either LGBTQ+ or at least friendly to us.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 8 months ago (15 children)

Doing anything other than voting for Biden is essentially a vote for Trump.

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[–] tills13 59 points 8 months ago (37 children)

And I don't think I should have to remind y'all that while neither candidate has a good outlook on Palestine... at least one won't end democracy in the US.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago

On the other hand, not voting or voting uncommitted in the presidential primary is completely fine. Literally no issue with that

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

unexpected commentary to come from a mod.

based tho. https://www.vote.org/

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (2 children)

With some of the rhetoric I was seeing I felt like it was my responsibility to say something.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (7 children)

First of all, I will absolutely be voting in the general, for whoever has the backing of the Democrat party, whether that be Biden or someone else if something unforseen happens. However, I think it's important to recognize a few key key matters.

  1. Not voting is an act of protest, but it is a largely ineffective form of protest. Protesting is the way the people voice their concerns, and deliberately not voting is in fact a way of voicing concern. However, this is an emotional, unobjective form.

  2. Biden, and the overall US war machine, is complicit in genocide. This fact should not be denied for the sake of an election. Simply voting third party is unobjective, this results in the outward fascists taking power, but at the same time, toeing the line results in further entrenchment of liberalism.

How can we resolve the former 2 statements? Simple. Protest loud, as much as you can, during the primaries. Force Biden's hand.

Just as we can hold people responsible if they vote third party during the general, or not voting, we can also hold Biden accountable. This isn't simply a matter like Single Payer Healthcare, which would take tremendous effort with the support of congress to pass, this is something in his hands.

I'll reiterate: if your goal is to help the Palestinian people, there is only one correct path: protest as much as you can, as early as you can, until Biden caves and ceases the genocide. If you do not protest Biden now, while we still have the chance to change his course, then we risk protests lasting even longer and hurting his chances during the General, backfiring.

The Condition for Victory is a swift, loud, uncontestable wake-up call for Biden, followed by rallied support once genuine, positive change is shown to happen. Biden has already started to feel the pressure, and has begun sending some petty aid. Biden cannot risk losing the general, and we cannot risk Biden losing the general either, nor can we stand by and watch Biden support genocide.

Vote in the Primary against Biden, and vote in the General for Biden.

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[–] Beer_Raccoon 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is objectively correct and based.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I'll proceed to describe in this post the gigantic amount of political change and sweeping reforms we will achieve when we valiantly protest against the system by not voting up until we get the turnout to 10%:

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[–] guriinii 11 points 8 months ago (4 children)

In the UK you can spoil your ballot if you're unhappy with the options and is a recorded vote. Perhaps there's something like that.

[–] AnyOldName3 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not a good tool if one party is likely, but not guaranteed, to win without your vote, but is much worse than the other. You should only spoil your ballot if your constituency is has a large enough majority that your vote won't matter at all, or none of the parties are less bad than the others.

If you're voting on the single issue of Palestine in the US presidential elections (not the primaries), then no state has a large enough majority to justify as spoiled ballots, and one party wants to support a genocide while the other wants to discourage it (even if they're doing a crap job of it), so there is a least bad option to vote for.

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[–] Crashumbc 11 points 8 months ago

Except we have an actual self proclaimed dictator, trying to gain power. These fucking "progressives" are helping him.

As someone with a modicum of common sense, it boggles my mind that these spoiled children think helping Trump seize power is a good idea for anyone including themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Oh, I'll be voting.

For Claudia De La Cruz.

EDIT: People hard mad about this lmao

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Okay I mean this is marginally better, at least you're voting, but still until some sort of change happens a vote third party is a vote thrown away

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