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Japan slips into recession, becoming the 4th-largest economy, behind the US, China and now Germany.

Japan’s economy is now the world’s fourth-largest after it contracted in the last quarter of 2023 and fell behind Germany.

The government reported the economy shrank at an annual rate of 0.4% in October to December, according to Cabinet Office data on real GDP, though it grew 1.9% for all of 2023.

It contracted 2.9% in July-September. Two straight quarters of contraction are considered an indicator an economy is in a technical recession.

Japan’s economy was the second largest until 2010, when it was overtaken by China’s. Japan’s nominal GDP totaled $4.2 trillion last year, while Germany’s was $4.4 trillion, or $4.5 trillion, depending on the currency conversion.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And yet they complain that our economy is in shambles. It's never enough for these capitalist ghouls.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Truth is they are both going down at a different pace.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Germany just passed a €72 billion defense budget. As they say: "When the economy is sore, join a war."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Did you miss the developments in Eastern Europe that necessitate this increase in spending?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

No. Just pointing out that military spending is a very efficient way to increase economic activity. The US economy would not be doing very well if it wasn't for all the military spending.

But Germany is doing it without putting it all on the big credit card like the Americans, so I'll take Germany's economy and well-advised budgeting any day of the week.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It still amazes me that a country that small with that little natural resource as Germany can have such a strong and big economy!

[–] [email protected] 63 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Our resource used to be people, but we're in the process of completely fucking that up. Education going downhill quickly, rapidly aging population paired with a massive push against immigration, the most important jobs having some of the worst pay and working conditions...

We're in a race to the bottom. Japan mas have overtaken us, but we're folfowing closely behind.

[–] CosmoNova 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

One thing‘s for certain: Germans remain world champions at complaining. Even the brits got nothing on us.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Are you complaining about that?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I can't tell if you're talking about Germany or the US. It's believable either way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Why would they be talking about the USA?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm so sorry to hear that. I remember thinking that your education system sounded top notch, uh, quite a few years ago, when a German gentleman on a forum I was on was explaining why students were protesting against the introduction of a nominal fee for university studies, which had previously been free, right?

[–] Jumi 14 points 9 months ago

I may be mostly free but the problem is an outdated curriculum, lack of investment. Like almost every infrastructure here it got kaputtgespart (saving money until it's broken).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Oh I suppose it's still not as bad as other places. It was free and fully financed by taxes because it was seen as a societal investment, now it's ~300€ per semester at my university and still mostly financed through taxes. But the neoliberals sure didn't impose that without a fight! And they would probably have set it higher if they could.

I mean I know I'm complaining from a position of privilege here (sorry US debt slave bros), but still, fuck that shit. Cutting the most financially vulnerable people in society out of an education is what that amounts to. In other words, it's just another front in class warfare.

[–] RealFknNito 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"We have declining birthrates and extremely strict immigration rules."

"Why is our economy failing?"

[–] madcaesar 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You know not everything is a problem of too little or too much immigration....

[–] RealFknNito 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What? Yeah except I'm not talking about everything I'm talking about the economy. Dying countries have low immigration and Japan's self-imposed rules are pushing it into a recession because a lack of human workers leads to a weak workforce.

But I'd love to hear your theory on why Japan has fallen behind Germany.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

It's ridiculous. My friend married a Japanese woman and they had a boy. If the boy wasn't born in Japan, he wouldn't be a Japanese citizen in the future. Meanwhile, his Mexican father can't aspire to be a Japanese, even if his whole family is and they have been married for years.

Is even more ridiculous for people like this boy, since their double nationality rules are kind of weird to me. Whatever, it's just nuts.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

But their public transport sucks.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Still much better than global average... Germany is probably in the top 10% of countries with the best public transport.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I wish Canadian public transport sucked as much as Germany's

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The government reported the economy shrank at an annual rate of 0.4% in October to December, according to Cabinet Office data on real GDP, though it grew 1.9% for all of 2023.

"Japan’s top currency diplomat Masato Kanda communicated his displeasure around rapid yen moves which he says could have an adverse effect on the economy.

Mr Kanda even went as far as to suggest deploying FX intervention as a potential solution to the matter," Richard Snow, a market strategist at DailyFX, said.

"Japanese officials previously intervened in the FX market in September and October 2022 when it sold dollars and bought yen to strengthen the value of the local currency.

Cingari also noted that labour shortages represent a bottleneck to economic activity, while a trade-driven recovery is also unlikely amid stagnating export and import dynamics.

"On a more optimistic note, market financing conditions have eased recently, with expectations of continued relief facilitated by more accessible bank lending," he said.


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[–] Jumi 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Shame it don't see anything of it, I just see a country falling into ruins and disrepair

[–] Downcount 7 points 9 months ago

LOL, a little over dramatic, aren't you?

[–] DocSportello 3 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

What on Earth are you on about?