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[–] FlyingSquid 97 points 9 months ago (16 children)

The United States has maintained longstanding support to NATO. Most recently, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on December 22, 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-third Senate super-majority or an act of Congress.[71] This bill was a response to Donald Trump's repeated expressions of interest in withdrawing from the organization.[72][73]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_NATO#United_States

That link also claims the Greens want out of NATO, so I guess they see eye-to-eye with Trump on that one? Honestly, it makes me less likely to support the Greens now that I know that.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 9 months ago (8 children)

The Green Party in the US is just an extension of the Kremlin aimed at peeling votes away from Democrats in key races.

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[–] PrinceWith999Enemies 56 points 9 months ago

The US Greens are largely subsidized by Republican funders, and Green presidential candidates have been dinner guests of Putin. The US Greens aren’t an independent environmentalist party but are a GOP stalking horse.

[–] Badeendje 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Oh boy, they think Ukraine should also negotiate with Putin under a cease fire: https://www.gp.org/proposal_1155_gpus_calls_for_ceasefire_to_end_ukraine_war

But apparently they advocate pacifist ideas. No real foundation in reality.

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[–] FlexibleToast 11 points 9 months ago

The Greens haven't been the greens since Nader.

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[–] wildcardology 69 points 9 months ago

His father should have pulled out.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 9 months ago (7 children)

But remember folks! There’s a lot of (disillusioned) people here that would like everyone to know that Trump and Biden are exactly the same!

[–] Maggoty 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (47 children)

No. Just no. We pressure Biden because we want him to be better. We believe he can be. Trump is a lost cause who should be in prison for attempting a coup.

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[–] SomeGuy69 56 points 9 months ago (11 children)

It would backfire like Brexit. Imagine the USA openly shunted by all former allies about their war crimes and other international crimes. The US forgets they currently can get away with a lot, and they do, because they are also an important ally. If you remove their NATO support, what reason is left to whistle ignorance?

[–] cosmicrookie 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The US forgets they currently can get away with a lot, and they do, because they are also an important ally

I think it's only Trump who forgets this not the US. I am not even sure he understands it really

[–] Ross_audio 19 points 9 months ago

It's not only Trump.

It's also Trump voters and voters who stay at home and let him back into office.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if a majority of American voters turn out against him.

Last time it was about 1 in 3 voted for him, 1 in 3 voted against him, and 1 in 3 didn't show up.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The US getting held accountable for it's war crimes? Sounds too good to be true.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Brexit was a disaster because the UK economy was third-place-and-shrinking in the economic block. They had no leverage.

NATOXIT would be a much bigger deal, because the US is the premier global military power and the single largest exporter of weapons and associated tech.

Also, the NATO thing is pure bluster in order to assert leverage over the bloc, while Brexit was a dog-catching-the-car scenario. The Tories invented so many fictions about how awful EU membership was that they couldn't accept what generous concessions were offered. Meanwhile, Trump will happily take a big personal kickback for a small concession on arms sales.

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[–] ohlaph 39 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

We know. Get out and vote!!!

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (4 children)

It requires approval of the US congress.

[–] njm1314 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Don't look now but they give him pretty much everything he wants.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago

Implying checks and balances will apply to "only 1 day" dictator Don.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

So what happens if he just says not to go help NATO if article 5 is invoked (if that's the one where a member is attacked)? Doing nothing seems more up his alley anyways, pulling out requires more work so he'll probably just say no if it's needed.

I got no idea if the US armed forces can deploy without the president's approval in some way or if Trump says no go then it's completely off. Been wondering as a NATO neighbor who's country he called a security threat his first term.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You know who also wasn't in NATO? Ukraine.

[–] AquaTofana 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Bruh, if Trump wins and we pull out of Nato, Russia won't even have to invade us. Trump will give Putin a fist bump and a welcome basket when he arrives off the plane.

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[–] CharlesDarwin 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For those that want to break everything, this is a feature, not a bug. The magats would rather send the world into the toilet rather than not be able to "own the libs" (and women, and POC, and LGBTQ and immigrants, and anyone with one iota more education than them, etc.).

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[–] LightDelaBlue 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So usa are going to leave there military bases on our land right ?

[–] T00l_shed 41 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well last time trump did a withdrawal of troops they left everything for the taliban, so it stands to reason it would happen again.

[–] neeshie 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

The elites don't want you to know this but the fighter jets at overseas military bases are free you can take them home. I have 12 F-35s

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sick delectable piece of trash.

[–] braxy29 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Toastypickle 43 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You heard the man. Don't kink shame

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

any Party may cease to be a Party [of NATO] one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America, which will inform the Governments of the other Parties of the deposit of each notice of denunciation

“America? It’s America, we quit”

Euro confusion intensifies

[–] platypus_plumba 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

— Hello America, we need to talk.

— Sure America, what's going on?

— Not on the phone, this is very important.

— Where do you want to meet?

— Somewhere public.

[–] TotalSonic 21 points 9 months ago

In order to do that Trump would need a MAGA-Republican majority in the US Senate as well, due to a recently bi-partisan enacted law by Congress stating as much - https://thehill.com/homenews/4360407-congress-approves-bill-barring-president-withdrawing-nato/

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

Trump will do whatever is in his power to do, legal or not. As long as Putin tells him he is in the tough guy maffia club, ensuring him that he is invincible.

[–] Rapidcreek 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I believe there is now a law that says that a President can't pull out of NATO. Only Congress can make that call.

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