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He signed an executive order on Thursday, saying violence had reached "intolerable levels".

The sanctions will block the individuals from accessing all US property and other assets.

Violence in the West Bank has spiked since Hamas's 7 October attack on Israel.

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[–] TropicalDingdong 236 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Everyone here should know, this is due to you and the conversations you've been having, media you've been supporting, and any actions you've taken to directly protest, letter write, etc.

Activism works. Being annoying af works. Simply changing the media you consume has an impact. Conservatives get what they want from their elected officials because they demand it. You too can demand things of your elected officials (so long as you can hold them to consequence, ie, the problem with bnmw).

[–] alvvayson 112 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let's not forget, this is exactly how we ended segregation in the US and Apartheid in South Africa.

Activism works. Let your voice be heard.

This is also why bad actors fill sites like reddit with bots, to try and control the public narrative.

But bots can't vote. Bots can't demonstrate. Bots can't boycott.

And also kudos to Lemmy and Lemmy mods for keeping this place relatively free from bots.

[–] Serinus 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And also kudos to Lemmy and Lemmy mods for keeping this place relatively free from bots.

I wouldn't count on that. I'm a dev, and I don't really know how you reliably do that. You can catch low hanging fruit, but it doesn't take much to evade.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

This is due to Biden needing to go to Michigan, with its huge arabic population. His campaign people wanted to avoid loud and awkward protests from members of his own party, so they threw a tiny bone that they knew would make a big headline splash.

I hate to be this cynical, but listening to his campaign managers making the rounds on the political insider podcasts… they are overwhelmingly “professional” and entirely inauthentic.

Even if biden himself is earnest, this campaign is shaping up to have all the stage managed authenticity of Hillary’s 2016 run.

I’m worried.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Unless you're extinction rebellion and then everyone hates you anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 10 months ago (5 children)

"The indivuals". Four. Four guys. That's all. Of all the Israeli illegal settlers, a whole total of FOUR are getting banned from buying US properties...which I doubt they wanted to, anyway.

[–] endhits 26 points 10 months ago

A reminder that all Israeli settlements are illegal.

[–] nutsack 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

thanks for the clarification as my country is banned from clicking on that link and I'm too lazy to shit my pants on another website.

Even if it's just lip service to get votes from the left, I'm happy to see the narrative manifesting itself in the white house. they obviously know that voters want.

unfortunately by the time any serious policy would be enacted, Palestine will be gone.

[–] Linkerbaan 17 points 10 months ago

Biden makes sure that four illegal colonists cannot go to America and must stay there to colonize Palestine!

He has Michigan in the bag now. All those Arabs can see how strong this man is.

[–] Yewb 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"How dare you do something instead of doing everything!"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Four people is not doing something. Four people is doing the smallest possible amount so that cheerleaders like yourself can say "Hey, they're trying to do something" to Muslim-Americans in Michigan.

It's transparent and doesn't even do that, though.

[–] Yewb 9 points 10 months ago (14 children)

All of these things are vastly more complicated than it appears on the surface - to say that they shouldn't do a thing because they should do another thing is not productive, hey lets just do nothing and be mad about it on the internet guys.

And what does anything have to do with Michigan? Are you a real person?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I mean, when they can steal homes for free.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 10 months ago (43 children)

Firstly, positive to see more criticism and friction between Israel and US officials, and that resulting in unilateral action against extreme elements of Israeli society. I recognize that international and domestic politics are hard to balance, and its campaign season.

But holy shit this solves nothing. “It’s a start” certainly, but there shouldn’t even be settlers. Oslo II very clearly, with lines on the map agreed to by both sides, set out that the West Bank and Gaza is Palestinian, for Palestinians.

At what point does the US alliance with Israel cost us more than it’s worth, especially when this unlimited support is directly harmful to other regional allies like Jordan or Egypt?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

I'm sure that behind closed.doors, we are rapidly approaching that point.

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[–] agitatedpotato 76 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I suppose better than nothing but 'better than nothing' is a low fuckin bar for intervention in ongoing genocide. Unless there's reprecussions on the state of Israel, who condones and empowers settelers, this seems like sanctioning the Houthis while simultaneously arming Iran.

[–] Wrench 63 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a start.

It has been political suicide in the past to criticize Isreal. They are also an incredibly important strategic ally in the region, both militarily and commerce.

This move shows that the US is potentially willing to move away from unconditional support, which could be devastating to Isreal.

So, while the actual scope of the sanctions themselves is unimpressive, the meaning behind it is significant.

[–] agitatedpotato 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure, you're not wrong, but I'm really really tired of getting 'it's a start' action on issues like this and the irreversible change of the climate. There's a very real timer ticking on both these issues if nothing changes and based on history I'm really skeptical were getting anything but another 'its a start' on some other small facet of this issue, ad nauseam until it's not an election year.

[–] Wrench 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

Skepticism is always healthy, but try not to wade too far into cynicism.

International relations are very complicated, and even if it would be satisfying to have fast and heavy responses, I can also understand the cautious approach in this case. As you say, it's an election year. It would not do Palestinians much good to have a reactionary response poison the well, just to the Republicans win all levels of government and screw up the region far worse, in addition to abandoning Ukraine.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

For anyone not reading any further...this is a whole total of FOUR illegal settlers being banned. FOUR.

[–] Dehydrated 58 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Now do the same with the Israeli state

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, what good are sanctions if the Israeli government is still giving them US weapons to continue terrorising Palestinians in the West bank?

[–] sailingbythelee 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Good thing we're doing warning shots over a 100 days in, after Gaza has been turned into rubble and like 2% of the population has died.

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[–] BMatthew 44 points 10 months ago

Way to little, but at least something.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago

Us sanctioning iran: "FUCK EVERY MAN WOMAN GRANDPARENT AND CHILD, OVERTHROW YOUR GOVERNMENT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT BITCH"

Us sanctioning israel: "using satalites we have pinpointed 4 individuals in the west bank region and will enact targeted sanctions to curb behavior, thank you and god bless"

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Glad to see he's starting to feel the pressure! That aside, wake me up when he sanctions Israel, which not-so-subtly supports these settlers.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

He doesn't even need to sanction them. Stop sending them weapons.

Edit: I mean, I guess sanctions would be nice too, but stopping the weapons transfers should be the bare minimum.

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[–] nutsack 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

how do you sanction "settlers" exactly

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

They get put on a list. They try to enter the US, they get detained. They won't be able to engage with the American banking system or buy real estate in America.

[–] Altofaltception 17 points 10 months ago (6 children)

What happens if one of the settlers becomes PM of Israel? Does the US change its tune?

Remember, in the case of India, the current PM of India was banned from entering the US for almost a decade. Now, we bend over backwards for him.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Seeing as Ben-Gvir isn't mentioned at all, I think you already have your answer.

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[–] Maggoty 17 points 10 months ago (12 children)

What scrambles my brain is he won't even do the most basic shit. Like okay Gazans are starving because Aid is being blocked. Why aren't we tying our weapons deliveries to the flow of Aid?

Even if you believe the IDF is the most moral military on the planet (laugh, snort) this is an obvious measure to make sure there isn't a famine. And the IDF could have pretended they did it willingly if they had done this in December when we knew it was a problem!

But nope. Is there a Biden pee tape? What in the actual hell is going on?

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[–] sturlabragason 16 points 10 months ago

History repeats itself. War crimes are being committed and other countries try to wait it out with pointless bureaucracy bullshit.

Meanwhile innocent children suffer and die every day.

[–] ikidd 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

These fucking morons are going to hillary themselves into another Trump presidency. Fucking embarassing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

You have to admit it is an interesting tactic. First he makes all people who are pro palestine hate him and now he also makes the people who are pro israel hate him as well.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The sanctions block the individuals from accessing all US property and other assets.

They also prevent them from using the American financial system.

I wonder what percentage of the Israeli settlers are using the US financial system or even own US property.

The wording is also a bit vague, Do the bombs that we also sent Israel count as our property. Or are they officially Israel's?

Also, who are "the individuals?" who invaded the west bank? Do we have group names?

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[–] randon31415 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Biden (I hope): "Gee, after the election, I don't have to worry about voters thinking I'm 'throwing Israel under the bus', and can do whatever I want. Gee, will I still be a zionist? Or will I follow what my party wants me to do? Here is a hint, Israel."

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Him: what's the bare minimum I can do. I don't like being called Genocide Joe.

Staffers: sanctions!

Him: fuck those four settlers in particular!

Staff: at least he's better than Trump?

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