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  • Masimo, the company that sued Apple over patent infringement, has unveiled its own blood oxygen monitoring smartwatch called the Masimo Freedom.
  • The Masimo Freedom is a health-focused device that can track blood oxygen levels, hydration index, respiration rate, pulse rate variability, pulse rate, steps, and detect falls.
  • The smartwatch is currently in prototype stage and will be available for sale later this year at a price of $999.

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[–] [email protected] 147 points 9 months ago (5 children)

In the name of every medical professional out there:

Fuck Masimo. You piece of shit garbage company.

Masimo does strategically patent troll other companies to keep their monopoly on oxygen saturation technology, deliver a subpar product that is very likely designed with planned obsolescence (which actively endangers patients). It's an absolute shit show.

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[–] Langehund 123 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I feel like they’d have made more money by licensing their patent to Apple rather than trying to sell a watch for a ridiculous $999 price tag. I’m not saying they were wrong for their patent lawsuit, and it’s nice to see that small companies can still win, but I just don’t see this early product getting enough sales for them to profit.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I might be mistaken, but I think Apple started with a licensing deal and then walked back on it?

Googled and found this

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38774769

[–] Langehund 26 points 9 months ago

Ahh, fair enough. Missed that bit

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nobody is buying this and I don't think they are trying very hard to sell it either. Notice that this pricing is only in the U.S. This seems like a ploy to bolster their case for damages and/or royalties in a settlement. Or maybe just part of their patent defense strategy. This company is primarily in medical tech. Even if they aren't so interested in the consumer market, they have to protect their patent or someone in a market they do care about will get away with it too. I would assume it strengthens their case if they can demonstrate material damages in a market they participate in. So quickly unveil a prototype, price it so there's little to no demand, don't bother manufacturing a product nobody wants, win the case, cancel the product.

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Charging $999 for a watch is the next idea Apple will steal from them.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The Apple Watch Ultra already costs that much, doesn't it?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (5 children)
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[–] phoneymouse 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No it doesn’t, it’s $200 cheaper.

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[–] coffeebiscuit 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It isn’t even an official price.

Price is for United States only and is subject to change based on final design, specifications, and features.

[–] Kbobabob 15 points 9 months ago

Well, that definitely means the price will go up then.

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[–] Asidonhopo 97 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Not a fan of Apple but the number of people who would benefit from being able to monitor blood oxygenation is more meaningful to me than Masimo's ability to sell thousand dollar smartwatches with its patent technology. Would be great if somehow this patent was bought out and made public domain so people outside the upper middle class could have an affordable way to track their vitals.

[–] DingoBilly 82 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Apple can easily pay to license the technology and utilise it, and has had multiple chances to over the years at reasonable prices.

This result is only because Apple is run by some absolute morons who were happy to try and steal the tech but got caught with their pants down.

As for making it available to upper middle class, there's plenty of devices out there already for monitoring blood oxygenation for under $100.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

Apple is run by some absolute morons who were happy to try and steal the tech

Xerox PARC intensifies

If you look at almost everything "iconic" that Apple has ever done they have "borrowed" or outright stolen from others. This is entirely on brand for Apple. They just ran up against someone who was willing to push back.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 9 months ago (68 children)

Would be great if somehow this patent was bought out and made public domain so people outside the upper middle class could have an affordable way to track their vitals.

Apple is a strange choice as a champion for that. Their devices always have been notoriously overpriced.

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[–] maness300 43 points 9 months ago

Copyright and patent laws need to die.

Only idiots think that work wouldn't get done without them.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 9 months ago (3 children)

$999
I have no use for a HR smart watch but at this price it's not even a possibility. Hundreds of dollars is acceptable but this is a hard no for me. My Casio G-Shock GBD 200 + GadgetBridge has all the features I want from a smart watch and costs about $150.
However, I will say kudos to Masimo for sticking it to Apple. Not many people can go against a giant like that and win.

[–] Telodzrum 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

This is less than some of the more feature-rich Garmin watches. That said, Garmin's offerings are best-in-class, so they can justify it.

[–] nevemsenki 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Garmins (or most of them) also last for a month with a single charge, unlike most smart watches. For me that's worth a little premium.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That is more than the last two phones I've bought put together, Holy Balls. No way am I spending a grand on a smart watch.

The G shock sounds tempting.

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[–] FrankTheHealer 54 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For 999usd, they can get fucked

A Fitbit costing less than 200 can do most of these things. Granted you need a Google account, but at least you don't need a fucking loan to get one.

[–] Dremor 8 points 9 months ago

You should take a look at Withings. Uou have to like the analog retro look, but it has all thoses features (including ECG).

[–] randoot 36 points 9 months ago (3 children)

When you're defending patents you have to demonstrate you're developing your own products or licensing them and so you can sue for damages. At this price point this "prototype" is just a loophole so they can extort Apple.

[–] DingoBilly 49 points 9 months ago (5 children)

You make it sound like they're being assholes to Apple when in reality, Apple is the bad guy here. Apple was going to license the technology but instead tried to hire all the engineers and people who developed it and then make their own version in house. Genuinely just thought they could steal the tech and then out lawyer the smaller company.

In this case Apple clearly is in the wrong and is now fucking customers over because of its shitty practices.

[–] hansl 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Fun fact; there can be more than one greedy asshole corporation.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

I mean as long as it's apple and not some small company or individual, they can extort away.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

That's trademarks, not patents (although in rare cases "implicit licensing" can be a thing if you don't act on known infringement)

[–] FlyingSquid 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pebble - $99

Pebble Steel - $149

Now Pebble is gone and Masimo is selling a $999 smartwatch.

Apple's cheapest watch is $249.

All I want is a watch like the Pebble again. I don't need color or all this extra health stuff.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Which is odd because I do want the health stuff, but don't want the rest of that stuff that is useless to me. I don't need the texting, music, weather, or the phone stuff - my smart phone still needs to be in bluetooth range for it to work anyway.

But I do value the ability to take a pulse, blood pressure, and count steps. It has increased my self-awareness and improved my health consciousness - small changes can make big differences. And for $40US, I found a decent watch that actually works pretty well.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago

If that's not FOSS, then there no "Freedom" in that either.

[–] LucidLethargy 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

My galaxy watch I bought many years ago has this same feature, is cheaper, and looks amazing. I got the "classic" model with the turning frame. It's an outstanding watch even to this day. No lag, great battery, and very bright even in sunlight.

[–] lledrtx 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Watch 4? I got the non-classic and my battery sucks ass now. I'm looking at replacing the battery now

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)
[–] Plopp 19 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I enjoy my $0 watch (I don't have one)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I use to not wear one but I got myself a PineTime and it is very handy for my current job which revolves heavily around time.

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