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Rufo described Jonatan Pallesen as “a Danish data scientist who has raised new questions about Claudine Gay’s use – and potential misuse – of data in her PhD thesis” in an interview published in his newsletter and on the Manhattan Institute’s City Journal website last Friday.

He did not tell readers that a paper featuring Pallesen’s own statistical work in collaboration with the eugenicist researchers has been subject to scathing expert criticism for its faulty methods, and characterized as white nationalism by another academic critic.

The revelations once again raise questions about the willingness of Rufo – a major ally of Ron DeSantis and powerful culture warrior in Republican politics – to cultivate extremists in the course of his political crusades.

The Guardian emailed Rufo to ask about his repeated platforming of extremists, and asked both Rufo and the Manhattan Institute’s communications office whether they had vetted Pallesen before publishing the interview. Neither responded.

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[–] cmbabul 58 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Motherfucking eugenics is making a comeback, Jesus they’ll be citing phrenologists next

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 49 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Dude I dunno. I'm disabled. Eugenics never left, people just got smarter talking about it.

[–] cmbabul 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A fair point, I’m autistic and have definitely had questions about kids, I’m not having them for different reasons but I guess I didn’t realize that IS eugenics in the moment. Nobody’s been feeling my skull though

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Voluntarily eliminating heritable genetic diseases is also eugenics, unfortunately many people inappropriately associate the term exclusively with the atrocity of forced eugenics/genocide.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Well no, eugenics is the bad stuff, when you decide whether or not to have kids based on the likelihood for them to inherit traits for you you'd rather not pass along, that's just family planning

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You are technically correct, but the practical thing to do is abandon the term when it's not forced/tragic. No reason to rehabilitate the term.

And a fun but important fact is that genetic and heritable diseases are not necessarily the same. I went too long as a clinician conflating the two: https://www.veritasint.com/blog/en/difference-between-genetic-and-hereditary-diseases/ (corporate link but correct and well written)

[–] afraid_of_zombies 3 points 8 months ago

Who decides what a disease is and how do you ensure that they don't make a mistake and the program is 100% voluntary with zero coercion ever?

[–] afraid_of_zombies 5 points 8 months ago

I am very sorry. If it helps any at all you should know that the majority of people are wise enough to know that an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. If we can cleanse people based on a disability we can cleanse people based on anything really. Maybe bald people are not fit to live, maybe ugly people, maybe short people, maybe brown, maybe woman with small boobs. Once humans are not the measure of all values, once science is replaced with bullshit like IQ, the values of the world are whatever the powers-that-be declare to be icky.

You have value, your value is the same as mine, your value is the same as everyone else. Fuck Nazis, fuck IQism, and fuck anyone who tries to make you or anyone else disabled feel like crap for the crime of existing.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sure why not? For some reason Google news wants to tell me my horoscope every day, I know ani-vaxxers, I know people who swear by chiropractors and reki healing, I know gluten avoiders. Should we even discuss what happened to all the TV networks that used to run educational programs?

Maybe fuck it, maybe we are all heading back into the dark ages.

[–] newthrowaway20 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Just wanna say some people have to really avoid gluten. It's called celiac's disease.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 4 points 8 months ago

I am not talking about the Celiac crowd

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Sure, but when someone tells a server that they absolutely can't have gluten, but then says that the fries cooked in the same oil as the breaded chicken fingers will be fine, they probably don't have celiac disease.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Broca’s area bitch!

[–] DigitalTraveler42 38 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I like how this is all really starting to blow up in both Harvard and the ouster faction's faces, because it really was just a bunch of rich anti-woke assholes throwing a tantrum over something stupid in order to have one less black person in a position of authority.

Also the fact that the female worst version of Joe Lieberman, Elise Stefanik, is one of the ring leaders of this should have told everyone that this is just performative political bullshit based in racism rather than the antisemitism she's claiming.

I'm all for calling out antisemitism, but this wasn't it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

How is it blowing up in their faces? They got their scalp, they've shown they can get rid of anyone they don't like for bullshit reasons, and there's going to be no consequences to either Rufo or Bill Ackman.

The fact that it's all lies doesn't matter, it didn't matter when Rufo used misleading definitions of DEI or any of the other witch hunts he started. The mainstream media will just uncritically repeat what he says and go along with everything.

[–] DigitalTraveler42 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

While all fair points, but when a guy like Bill Ackman is getting press he's losing, overall I'm just appreciative of any blowback coming their way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Fuck Bill Ackman. Love that his wife is taking it on the chin as she should.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Eh, it's maybe a little bit funny to see how thin-skinned he is, but he's not going to lose any business over this, and he got everything he wanted. He won, and he's only pissed off that people on Twitter were mean to him about it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Thank you for simplifying it. This was a slam dunk move for corporatists whose primary goal is divide and conquer. Mission accomplished!

[–] son_named_bort 11 points 8 months ago

I'm shocked! SHOCKED!

Well, not that shocked.

[–] blahsay 2 points 8 months ago

Wow Harvard has a lot of money and a good PR team. They're managing to somehow switch the conversation so it's somehow no longer about someone plagiarizing their entire career.

This is not a left or right issue.

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