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A federal judge in Florida ruled a U.S. law that prohibits people from having firearms in post offices to be unconstitutional, the latest court decision declaring gun restrictions violate the Constitution.

U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, a Trump appointee, cited the 2022 Supreme Court ruling “New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen” that expanded gun rights. The 2022 ruling recognized the individual’s right to bear a handgun in public for self-defense.

The judge shared her decision in the indictment that charged Emmanuel Ayala, U.S. Postal Service truck driver, with illegal possession of a firearm in a federal building.

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[–] DocMcStuffin 158 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Now do courthouses and see how well that goes.

[–] FireTower 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Restrictions on carry in court houses would likely pass the Bruen test.

[–] takeda 39 points 10 months ago

I don't see any reason why a court should be treated any differently though.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well yeah, the Courts make up rules and tests to advance whatever agenda is on the docket. They work backwards from the result they want.

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[–] derf82 11 points 10 months ago

What historical analog can you point to that wouldn’t also apply to post offices?

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 10 months ago

You know what else is public? Courthouses.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Florida is such a shit hole.

[–] DocMcStuffin 20 points 10 months ago

We're not "such a shit hole". We're an exquisite shit hole.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago (4 children)

We should make sure it's also unconstitutional to block guns at:

  • Courthouses
  • GOP conventions
  • Political rallies
  • NRA conventions
[–] Got_Bent 16 points 10 months ago

Jesus Christ. Can you imagine families of the defendant and victim along with the jury all being armed when the verdict gets read at a murder trial?

I've been a juror on a murder trial and even with current regulations banning guns, we got armed escorts out the back of the building after the verdict.

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[–] count_dongulus 45 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I wonder how the court would respond to a petition to allow firearms in court rooms. It's a god-given American freedom, guaranteed by the second amendment right?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (21 children)

Cool, so the place that mass shootings in the US began, and coined its own phrase, now must allow armed nut jobs inside. What could go wrong!?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The USPS has been abused by DeJoy, another trump appointee, who filled the fleet with more gas vehicles with less efficiency than previous models. That and removing public mail boxes for “reasons that totally didn’t have to do with mail-in voting helping Democrats win elections, promise.”

[–] BigDaddySlim 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

It wasn't just blue boxes, he also shut down sorting machines, slowing mail processing in another attempt to delay mail-in ballots. Luckily we weren't sending these off to get sorted at the plant and would take them to the town hall directly which probably helped circumvent a lot of late ballots. Can't say this was done in every office but in my local area I know we did that.

Edit: a word

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[–] FlyingSquid 27 points 10 months ago (39 children)

Going postal now legal in Florida.

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[–] chiliedogg 24 points 10 months ago (8 children)

This is a ridiculous ruling, but the reason the ban on guns in post offices makes many gun owners so angry is that unlike pretty much any other no-gun zone laws, it includes all of the property, including the parking lot.

So if a licensed person removes their gun and leaves it in the car so they can go into the post office, they've still committed a felony by parking there.

So instead they'll park in the street. And if the lot is mostly empty and there's a car parked in the street in front of the post office, it's a bright neon sign to thieves that breaking into that car will score them a gun.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (16 children)

Turns out there's a surprisingly simple way to avoid that whole situation...

[–] Buffaloaf 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (10 children)

These people are out of their fucking minds. Nothing’s ever enough.

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[–] Mr_Blott 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Post office workers' safety ruled uNcONStItuTiONaL

Jesus fucking Christ guys

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I need a gun when I go to the post office to protect myself from the postal workers when they decide to go postal.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Bunch of scared insecure children on the right. Recommend a listen to Malcolm Gladwell 6 part series on gun violence for the history of the rights obsession with 2A.

[–] Dehydrated 14 points 10 months ago

I WILL FIGHT FOR MY FREEDOM IN THE POST OFFICE

NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO TAKE MY GUNS

/s

[–] Maggoty 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

So the reason she used in her ruling is that the law about not having guns in post offices was passed in 1972. Which is pants on head crazy. Under that reasoning it's not about what powers to regulate there were traditionally. It's about specific case details, like qualified immunity. The federal government has absolutely maintained an ability to say no guns in sensitive areas from day 1 of the USA. But because they didn't get around to post offices until 1972, it's illegal to make guns illegal in post offices.

Which is not the standard SCOTUS set in Bruen. According to their standard it would be sufficient to prove early Americans would approve of such laws by finding similar laws. Not requiring that they had the same exact law.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I want to open carry an ar15 in an MRI room. If you prohibit that, you are violating my constitutional rights!

If you say that there are exceptions to those rights the I think we have a crack that we need to rip open juuuuust a little wider.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I love how open carry was banned in California by Republican legislation and the law was signed by fucking none other than conservative golden calf, Ronald Reagan.

And why? Because the Black Panthers were making white people nervous.

There's no moral or logical consistency until you realize everything they do is self serving and any given stance is subject to change whenever convenient.

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