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I see a lot of people claim they tune/calibrate their printer any time they use a new spool of filament. But does anyone actually do this? It feels like a waste of time when filament is so consistent, even between brands. I can understand doing it for specialty rolls, but for basic pla? Seems unnecessary

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[–] Garzak 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reading the answers make me feel bad about myself.

I never really calibrated my printer. I have a BLTouch so I rarely have to level the bed, I correct the Z offset when my prints start failing, and that’s pretty much it.

I should probably start taking printing more seriously.

[–] Duallight 8 points 1 year ago

If you're happy with your prints, then no need to calibrate IMO. I think calibration is only necessary when you see a problem or want the best possible prints you can get. But personally, I don't care too much if a print isn't perfect, as long as it works

[–] suth 4 points 1 year ago

Nah, there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m the same type as you and just print until something goes wrong. While I enjoy the journey of 3D printing, what I really love is the results. As long as you get the result there’s no need to tinker unless you just really love that aspect.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

God no, way too lazy for that lol. It probably does help though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I print a temp tower for every new brand I get and save that as a profile. Has worked fine for me for years

[–] ZagamTheVile 3 points 1 year ago

Same here. New brand, new temp tower. Maybe a new color if on the spool it looks different.

[–] Duallight 3 points 1 year ago

New brand seems reasonable. I still don't even do that, but I also don't care too much if it's not a perfect print haha

[–] MrQuallzin 7 points 1 year ago

I don't do it for every spool, but I'll generally tune for each brand I have. Elegoo's PLA prints different than IIID Max PLA+, so I have profiles for both. I'll only tune a new spool if it's not printing well with the brand's profile

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I rarely ever do, honestly I use the "Prusament" defaults in prusaslicer for all of my rolls of various types, and never really have any issues. Unless it's something like a silk or specialty type of filament.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Could be semantics but I configure (tune?) my profile to brand and color and leave it unless a roll is printing oddly. Basically, I’m looking for adjustments to flow, retraction speed and distance. Overture black and white are the same but recently used a hot pink and bright green from two different manufacturers where my Cura Overture Black/white profile sucked.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Heck no. I've got a baseline profile that's good enough and tweak if something is obviously wrong.

These days I just want to print with as little fuss as possible. Think a BambuLab printer is in my future.

[–] TragicNotCute 5 points 1 year ago

Ain’t nobody got time for that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Being a lazy type, I only do it per-material, and then only crudely. Which is part of the reason my PETG prints tend to be a bit on the stringy side, I'm sure—I've just never bothered to tune the retraction properly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Not really, I usually run a test print. But I have noticed that sometimes a different color will need different settings, even if it's the same material and brand.

One thing that I do for every roll is to put an ID number on it and weigh it, and put that into a database. That way I have a good estimate of whether or not I have enough filament for a project.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Not unless I notice it printing poorly

[–] bustrpoindextr 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tune whenever I start getting failures, or if I completely switch materials. For example, with petg, it works better to have a thicker initial layer so I'll raise the z offset a bit going from pla to petg, and the opposite going back.

But I've gone through multiple rolls without needing to tune.

[–] jamiehs 3 points 1 year ago

This sums it up perfectly for me too.

I tune whenever I start getting failures

[–] Sumeron 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Not for each new roll of filament, but I am relatively new (less than 1 month) and with the same roll I have some prints failing. Mostly because they detatch from the bed (Material is PETG, on an Ender 3 Max Neo). I've tried a lot of things already:

  • Different nozzle temps
  • Z axis offset calibration
  • Cleaning the print-bed
  • Leveling the print-bed (including the screws and the A4 paper trick)
  • Heated bed vs. non-heated
  • Printer placed in an enclosure to prevent drafts

So far it seems to go alright, but I still get detatching prints occasionally, or deforming mid-print. It's kind of frustrating :(

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I had the same problem with my CR-10. The issue was that the weak original bed springs were too weak to hold the bed. The vibrations of the printer allowed it to move, causing the first layer to not adhere very well. I also had filaments get moisture after a week or two.

When people say upgrade the Creality bed springs, they aren't kidding. PLA is forgiving enough on the first layer, but upgrading those bedsprings was necessary for me to print PETG. I made them stiffer by adding 5-6x washers on each post to pre-compress the springs. This makes them much stiffer and stay put.

I also bought a filament dryer. I put a new roll of PETG in the dryer and put it in continuous mode at 55°, and print PETG directly from the dryer.

I still have to print PETG pretty slowly compared to PLA or ASA (my favorite material).

To OP's original question: I do a full tuning of PETG with a new maker/roll. PETG is a co-polymer. Each manufacturer could have a different amount of glycol on the PET chain, or even a different distribution (e.g. ABABABAB copolymers behave differently than AAAABBBB copolymers even though both are 50% B). Colorants can also affect behavior.

PLA I really don't tune. I add 5-10 degrees when I'm printing quickly. That's about it. I recently was printing a spacer out of the last bit of a PLA+ roll I had. The filament ran out and the printer halted. I loaded a matte PLA to finish (I slowed the printer down and bumped the temp up manually by 5 degrees since this matte stuff has layer adhesion issues), and it also ran out before the print was done. So I loaded a roll of transparent PLA that I bought 9-10 years ago (and was stored in an attic for 2 years) and is very brittle, and it printed just fine. The print looks strange (tan to matte terra cotta to transparent purple) but works great.

[–] Sumeron 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh thanks for pointing out the bed springs! That does sound like something that can be happening, since they seem to slowly 'unwind' causing the bed to lower. I'll add some washers; thanks for the tip!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I did this more as a temporary fix. There are lots of sellers of stiffer spring sets or silicone spacers for Creality printers online. There are also several models on thingiverse for printing your own spacers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh, you poor thing. I made the same mistake. I know, I know, PETG logically makes the most sense - no fumes, higher temp tolerance, cheap - but save yourself weeks of misery and stick with PLA or PLA Plus/Pro/+ for a few months. PETG is a special beast. For all the shit PLA gets, it's not that bad and MUCH easier to learn printing with.

PETG is more viscous and sticky, and generally requires its own z-offset tuning and retraction tweaks. On top of that, it needs juuuuust enough heat to melt the Bowden tube, which happens to make it really tempting to pop a few prints. I'm pretty sure I invented new curse words while trying to clean out that mess.

PETG was the second filament I tried. The first was Silk PLA. It's PLA, but shiny, no biggie, right? Don't learn on Silk PLA either. Completely different set of problems. Silk PLA to PLA is like Frosted Fakes to cake frosting.

Just my $0.02. I know I was all excited to print mods for the printer right away, but I've ended up replacing all those mods with MUCH better ones 6 months later. Good luck!

Edit: Forgot to mention, make sure you use glue stick or hairspray on the bed. PETG will bond strong enough to take some of the bed surface with it!

[–] Sumeron 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I've essentially started printing on a higher difficulty? Guess I'll switch to PLA when the PETG runs out and change profiles in the slicer to PLA

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, you're printing on Hard Mode. PETG is weird at first, but easy-ish later on. Some veterans tend to treat it like no big deal, but it can be a real stumbling block for some. I know it took me a while.

[–] ScottE 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't on my FlashForge CreatorPro unless I had an issue, but I do on my BambuLab X1C - but that's because it's a fully automated process using the built in lidar.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Automatic flow calibration is so nice. I don't use any of the other "smart" features, but it's worth the extra cost just for that.

[–] jamiehs 3 points 1 year ago

Only if it’s a specialty filament or something tricky; like Proto-Pasta can be. If I’m just running another spool of Hatchbox or Overture I just use my generic PLA profile and send it.

[–] fhein 3 points 1 year ago

I calibrate flow rate for each filament, and looking at my SuperSlicer profiles I have values between 0.95 and 0.99 for PLA from different brands/product lines. I also have different temp settings for some, but that's more a result of adjusting after prints than having actually calibrated it. I've been experimenting a lot though and have never bought the same filament twice but I would probably not recalibrate for a new spool of something I already have.

But if not calibrating works for you then there's ofc. no point in doing it.

[–] bemenaker 3 points 1 year ago

Mostly I tune each type of filament. If using something new or haven't used in a while I'll do a calibration cube. After that I know to adjust or send it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I just start printing with a profile that looks close enough - I'll see soon enough if I need to change something, and more often than not it comes out good enough. (Not just for PLA - I pretty much don't print that anymore - but any material)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Just each brand and type unless a particular color or roll is printing weird. Some color formulations can we weird from some brands.

[–] Nanomerce 3 points 1 year ago

I just do it for new brands or colors. Though if a roll is giving me a hard time I'll do some checks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes and no.

I use a ton of different brands, so I always print a temp tower and a swatch card. I can't keep track of which word salad brand on Amazon is rebadged SunLu or eSun. I could totally see people that stick to only a couple brands doing a full calibration for each type and brand (maybe not color always, but I would do a quick comparison white-gray-black and anything exotic).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I use multiple materials from multiple brands, so yes, I do some calibration for each filaments.

I usually limit myself to the flow factor by printing a cube in vase mode and then adjust by ±2% after a print if I feel like it is needed.

For the temperatures, I go for the normal recommended values (200°C hot end and 60°C bed for PLA) without any calibration, unless there is a problem. (I think last time I printed one was for ABS because it kept curling up..)

Retraction and Linear advance seems to always give roughly the same value for each type of materials, so I ended up using an average which work well enough.

[–] CIA_chatbot 1 points 1 year ago

I now feel like an idiot that I’ve never thought of turning on vase mode for a calibration cube

[–] PlasticExistence 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I usually print a calibration square at whatever the filament's recommended nozzle/bed temperatures are. From that I will fine tune the extrusion multiplier until it's a perfect first layer. I prefer to do this instead of adjusting the Z offset for each filament.

This seems to keep my nozzle cleaner and my prints looking better because the nozzle doesn't drag through printed lines or drop buildup in a random place. Printing the square only takes 11 minutes, so it's worth the time.

Here's a helpful article about this: https://help.prusa3d.com/article/extrusion-multiplier-calibration_2257

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I do, but now I feel lile a sucker.

[–] NickKnight 1 points 1 year ago

I will gladly open a new roll mid print and continue a print with an untested roll. I simply don't print things that need that level of fiddling.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Nah, but I will print a temperature tower if it's a new filament - even if it's very similar to a filament I've had before. (As long as it's not an identical replacement. If it's an identical replacement and the previous isn't ancient, I won't even do that.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've only really printed different PLA flavors but I really only change print settings if I have an issue on the first print. I just shoot for the smallest thing I need printed first just in case.

As for stuff like leveling and offset I only mess with those every 3 or 4 prints, or before a really big print I really need to not fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mostly print in pla+, but when I change I'll print a quick sacrificial print, like a baby grogu, or the like. Just to see how it runs. Sometimes I'll print off a quick pegboard accessory. This is really just to check the temps and see if the normal 207/60 will work out. I change on the fly.

I'm only like 3 months in but have about 150 prints behind me, so don't take anything I say as gospel.

I will say that I do maintain my printer after every session. At least purge the hotend, wipe down the bed with IPA 99.9%, and blow out the dust, etc. I also prime every print by heating the hotend and extruding 50mm of filament than wiping off the tip of the hotend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes and no. I run a few different tests for different filaments but i save the filament reqs by manufacture and color. If i buy the same filament later on then I use the preset I made for that color. Its tedious but I think its the right way to do it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I adjust flowrate(by printing a square in each corner & center) but that's about it unless I get issues which is practically non existent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Define “tune” and “calibrate”

I do somethings, yes. Specifically I print off a temperature test- either the full tower (new color/brand,) or a cut down version that’s one tier high (for something I’ve printed with before)

It’s possible that the brand changed formulations or whatever. I’ll also run a micrometer over some of the filament to check it’s thickness.

Finally, I it’s a good time to take the opportunity to give the printer a once-over looking for wear and tear, and it’s a reasonable time to refresh the lube on the z screws, etc.

But no, I certainly don’t do a full recalibration every roll. there's some things I do most every print (checking my first layer, wiping down the bed with IPA or ethanol, for example,) but then there's some things I do occasionally (re-leveling the bed, probing a fresh mesh, , and then there's only things I do when I change something (esteps, checking the belt tension.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm a little more careful when I switch between PLA and PETG, mostly to prevent clogs, but I definitely don't recalibrate anything when switching spools unless I start having problems.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Nah. Every time I buy a new roll I print a calicat with it to make sure my current settings are good, but that's about it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't. But I do try and make sure my filaments are kind of similar.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I usually print a temp tower when I get new filament that I haven't used before. It doesn't take that long and if it prevents a failed print it's totally worth it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I used to. Now I just put settings I think will be close, print a calibration cube, make some adjustments based on what I see, and go to town. I spent 2 entire weeks figuring out all of the optimal settings for my printer for PLA+. Most of those settings work well for everything and because I spent so much time learning about printer calibration, I have a pretty solid idea of what I need to change from looking at the cube.

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