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[–] FlyingSquid 152 points 10 months ago (5 children)

The Big Bang theory always felt like a stupid person's idea of what smart people are like.

Also, from the couple of episodes I watched, apart from being terribly unfunny, it felt like the whole point was just to mock neruodivergent people.

[–] Donjuanme 54 points 10 months ago

They were all so mean. To me it felt like they were trying to normalize mean-ness, racism and sexism, under the guise of "nerds are misunderstood"

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

To be fair that's what most comedy shows seem to do.

[–] BradleyUffner 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

The IT Crowd managed to pull off nerd humor well though.

[–] Landmammals 12 points 10 months ago
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[–] Anticorp 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There was nothing smart about BBT, that's for sure. It's just annoying and stupid.

[–] okamiueru 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Some of the earlier seasons did have some clever jokes. One every 4 episodes or so. Less frequent than what you find in children's shows meant for adults. But, "nothing", is something a sith would say

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[–] sebinspace 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I hated that show. My mother would constantly make comparisons between Sheldon and I.

That shit hurts, mom..

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

I still remember the comic that had a character calling it "nerd minstrel" lmao

[–] [email protected] 80 points 10 months ago (8 children)

My wife actually love BBT and got me watching it. I still hate laugh track sitcoms, and as a Super Nerd a lot of things irritated me, but overall it's not nearly as bad as I was expecting from all the meme hate.

Still, the meme is not wrong, Data had a fine positronic brain, sure, but He can kill a motherfucker when necessary.

Papa Soong didn't raise no bitch.

[–] MisterMcBolt 47 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You want someone to look tough? Have them knock down Worf. Want someone to look unstoppable? Have them subdue Data.

[–] Maultasche 9 points 10 months ago

How well does Data fair against blue barrels?

[–] cynar 36 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I found big bang theory a lot more palatable if you consider it as an unreliable narrator story, with penny as the narrator. It's not what actually happened, but what Penny remembers about it. All the geeky/nerdy stuff gets filtered. Only the surface, superficial stuff gets remembered, and even that is distorted. That is why it plays on stereotypes so much.

My wife likes BBT, I've learnt to tolerate it at best.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I did grad school in planetary science while BBT was airing. I hated it. I could go hang out with my friends and have much funnier nerdy convos. "I'll buy you a beer if you can prove to me that the electron exists." -- one of my favourite remembered starts to many hours of drinking one day.

My dad watched BBT and was pretty convinced it was a documentary of my life, or close enough. I told the above story to my dad, and it did nothing to dissuade him.

[–] FlyingSquid 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I cannot take laugh tracks anymore. They just annoy the fuck out of me. If you ever get a chance and you like the show, the European version of M*A*S*H without the laugh track was a revelation. The people responsible for the laugh track didn't understand when the show was actually trying to be funny half the time.

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[–] aaaa 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just the same, this is completely on brand for Sheldon's interpretation of the character. He finds one aspect of the character he identifies most with, and completely ignores the ones that he doesn't.

[–] AtariDump 6 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Our hate comes from within. We all watched it with such naive hope for far too long before realizing that we were the punchline.
The disappointment that gets through in the memes is the disappointment we feel in ourselves.

[–] CosmicTurtle 5 points 10 months ago

I recently binged the whole thing, mostly because I wanted to know how it ended. I stopped watching it around season 3 when it was on the air.

The show is literally only watchable at 2x speed.

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[–] dumpsterlid 77 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I honestly find even ten seconds of the Big Bang theory to be like nails on a chalkboard.

It feels written by someone who isn’t a nerd trying to write a nerd character and just missing the point utterly and completely.

If you want an example of good non neurotypical nerd characters that are on the spectrum maybe, you don’t need to look any further than Tendi and Rutherford in Lower Decks. They both have heart and feel way more fleshed out than the Big Bang theory.

The Big Bang theory just makes me want to vomit, it either feels like the most insufferable version of nerds or it feels like a high school bullies super reductive perception of nerds. Also the whole “Penny is a normal hot girl hanging out with nerds” is such a stereotypically reductive setup too.

[–] SmokumJoe 25 points 10 months ago (9 children)

It's a tad dated now but still hilarious "The I.T. Crowd" owns it hard. One of the funniest shows ever made.

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[–] AtariDump 12 points 10 months ago

It’s nerd blackface.

[–] samus12345 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Any true fan would have posed Worf getting his ass kicked.

[–] Buddahriffic 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Worf's main function was to show how tough a new character was by getting beaten up by them.

Unless it was a Klingon story, in which case he would somehow be stronger with their weapons even though he wasn't raised with Klingons and his combat training would have been mainly federation combat (though I suppose it would make sense for him to surpass them with his access to one of several holodecks on the Enterprise).

Another exception was if it was a child, in which case he was the scary adult laying down the law. But I believe there's an exception to even this exception, though that child did have powers closer to Q's than to humans'. And I can't remember for sure if she did pwn Worf in that episode.

[–] samus12345 22 points 10 months ago (5 children)

It makes some sense that Worf would be an expert in Klingon combat, because he's such a tryhard that strives to be more Klingon than Klingons since he feels like he has something to prove.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Worf got exposed to Klingon culture and ideals with no context for how they're constantly falling short. He's trying to live up to impossible standards, without knowing that's not really what it's all about. And honestly, he's not doing bad. Except for Alexander. Worf is a horrible father, and given his adoptive parents he really has no excuse.

[–] nomous 10 points 10 months ago

I love that Worfs horrible parenting has become such a joke because he really was a terrible father. I love Worf, Michael Dorn is fantastic, but the writers had absolutely no idea what to do with Alexander. It all always felt so forced, which I guess was kind of the point.

[–] Madison420 8 points 10 months ago

There's episodes of his holodeck training, dude basically slept worked and trained for years.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (7 children)

One thing I did not like about data is he sorta made everyone else second best in thier specialty. stronger than worf, smarter than wesley. I almost surprised they did not give him more sensory capabilities than giordi.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

He's stronger than worf, but doesn't have his instinct for dangerous situations. He's smarter than Westley (lol) but doesn't have a great capacity for improvisation and adaptability. He's technically better than Geordi at science, but not necessarily engineering, again pointing at his spock-like proclivity for sticking with "in the box" thinking.

Ironically, Geordi has better tech eyes, but data gets more play, if you know what I'm saying 😉

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

That's one of the reasons I think neurodivergents identify so strongly with him. I might be smarter, or better at some things than someone else, but it definitely doesn't mean I'll be more successful than they are.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They did it with Spock too, so it is sort of par for Trek

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[–] EdibleFriend 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

He's also better at boning hot blondes than anybody else.

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[–] AtmaJnana 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean... I could tell the TBBT writers never watched Star Trek because I have seen TBBT, so I've been subjected to their writing.

[–] Anticorp 10 points 10 months ago

Worf said Data is the only member of the crew strong enough to break his wrist.

[–] JTheDoc 9 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

He's criticizing their technique.

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