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  • Unlock bootloader (depending on vendor, you have to do an online verification),
  • flash a recovery.img,
  • load into recovery mode (which, depending on the phone, might need extra work)
  • wipe some caches,
  • select new os/rom image,
  • pray it doesn't brick your phone.

You'd think someone would've learned a thing or two from the easy graphical installations linux and even windows have been offering since the late 2000s.

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[–] RightHandOfIkaros 91 points 6 months ago

Because if it was easy you wouldn't feel the need to buy a new one every few years.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 6 months ago (1 children)

purposefully. they dont want you messing with their device. its that simple.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)
[–] rockSlayer 73 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes. In the minds of executives, we're paying to use their devices instead of purchasing it. They don't believe that we should have the right to do whatever we want with the device we purchased.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

These executives are from the era where it was a quarter for every sms message. Still chasing the gravy train.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

ha, you werent under the impression you were buying a device, were ya?

youre buying a software license that happens to come with a piece of hardware.

[–] grue 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

youre buying a software license that happens to come with a piece of hardware.

They claim that, but they're lying.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

yeah but their lawyers have louder voices. it kinda sucks how they obfuscate our rights.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

They're only lying as long as people can continue to over and over find their way around the obstacles they place in the way, and it gets harder all the time. They have more money and more resources and more organization than the hackers trying to defeat them, they're winning the war of attrition. We may be able to make small breakthroughs here and there, but overall we continue to lose more and more territory, because the amount of effort is disproportionate to the goals. Most of what's left of the custom ROM community has given up on the losing battle with manufacturers and providers and changed focus to the various freephones but even they have their own troubles and are fragmented and short-lived. Between carriers, manufacturers, and content providers the whole mobile ecosystem is designed to be impenetrable. It is intentionally a fortress full of deadly traps and open source supporters have no hope to breach it anytime soon.

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[–] grue 18 points 6 months ago

Yes, they think it's their device even after they sold it. The FTC really ought to be making it abundantly clear that they're wrong, but it's been regulatory-captured, so...

[–] KpntAutismus 40 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fairphone makes it as easy as they can to install /e/OS or any other custom ROM, probably because they believe in selling the phone as the hardware itself, with you being able to choose your OS.

like it should be. like we are doing with PCs.

but a fairphone does come with a very uncompetitive price tag, trust me, i own one.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Assuming price isn't an issue, would you recommend it? I've been looking into them for my next phone whenever this pixel decides to die.

[–] KpntAutismus 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

definetely, i've only owned xiaomi and huawei devices that were on the brink of not working at all sometimes. compared to that, my Fairphone 4 is pretty reliable.

although the camera could be better, it's perfectly usable. take a look at my cat trying to figure out what a cordless drill is.

i would call CPU performance "good enough" and GPU performance "kinda bad for the money". even though fortnite, star rail and genshin impact run at a stable 30fps on low settings at 100% resolution.

and the battery lasts the day only if you're lucky.

all in all, if has been my companion for one and a half years now and i don't regret spending full price on it. i imagine the Fairphobe 5 being even better, it supposedly performed very well in mkbhd's blind camera test.

and don't get me started about the ability to repair this thing. i've had it disassembled down to the motherboard multiple times, there are no adhesives in there, like at all. the CPU has some kind of hard thermal pad.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The web-based installer for GrapheneOS is very easy to use. The catch is that it only works for Pixel phones (and only those that are still receiving updates).

https://grapheneos.org/install/web

[–] troydowling 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you don't mind me polling your opinion: do you recommend Graphene for someone previously used to Cyanogen / Lineage? I recently upgraded to a Pixel 8 from quite an old handset and I'm not particularly fond of the stock ROM. Much has changed since the last time I had to think about this stuff! I primarily care about privacy, and use my cell for little more than phone calls, messaging, and its camera.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Yes- I'd recommend Graphene to anyone who can live without Google Pay. I've only been using it for a month but everything has worked without issue and with the added benefit of "storage scopes" and Google Play sand-boxing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Mine works, but some banking apps won't work if they require full SafetyNet compliance. So that could be a deal-breaker for some people too.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I decided to install Graphene before looking up the installation and was blown away by how easy it is. I'd been on stock android for years and was expecting a similar experience as OP describes. My very old custom ROM folder is filled with files with names like 'confirmedsafeblob' and 'bricksafe' that I don't even know what they are anymore but speak to some past misery. Then beep-boop done with the web installer.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago

It used to be easy... When people were actually making custom ROMs for everything and you could literally just plug the device into your PC and run a program to do everything. I don't think there is anything inherently in most phones stopping this; it's the lack of people developing custom stuff for every piece of hardware out there. Some phones do actively try and thwart custom ROMs, such as Samsung with their Knox bullshit, but most don't need to; nobody is hacking them in the first place.

[–] FinishingDutch 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

I honestly don’t think I’ve ever heard an average user say: ‘I like my phone’s hardware, I just wish it had a different OS.’

Phones by and large are seen as a locked system: you specifically choose to buy Android or iOS and stick with that.

There’s really no incentive for companies to make different OS installs easy. I’d say there’s plenty of reasons not to: do you really want to give the average user that much power to fuck up their phone? I assume there’s also some security implications if they made it too easy to fiddle with.

So yeah, it’s difficult because you’re fiddling with something that wasn’t meant to be an end-user thing in the first place.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love it if they made phones much more open in terms of hardware and software, but the big guys aren’t going to do it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (11 children)

That doesn't really make sense. Every paragraph, except the 2nd, also applies to PCs, yet you can install a different OS.

The reason is quite simple: more money from users.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I like my phone’s hardware, I just wish it had a different OS.

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[–] machinin 9 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Really? You don't hear users complaining about bloat, duplicate apps, phones that no longer get updates, or laggy UIs? My Redmi phone has good hardware and became so much better when I installed a different ROM on it.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

In summary, the corporate bean counters don't want to give up control over your device. That's really all it boils down to. They're not doing anyone any favors, that's for sure. It's pure greed

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I honestly don’t think I’ve ever heard an average user say: ‘I like my phone’s hardware, I just wish it had a different OS.’

I'd say that happens mostly because they don't even know there are alternatives. Also, like machinin said earlier, bloat is a very common problem in Android phones, even high end stuff from big companies, Samsung being one of the worst offenders in that regard.

The average user doesn't know the phone doesn't need half of that shit, so he just shrugs and carries on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

This story only makes sense on its own momentum.

[–] KrapKake 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I do remember reading somewhere that smartphones don't have a standardized bootloader like PCs do with BIOS and UEFI, and that it can vary between manufacturers and devices. Could be wrong about it. Also some manufacturers really don't want you to be able to install custom software, like Samdung in North America. If you buy a Samdung device in NA...even if it is carrier unlocked.. the bootloader will be impossible to unlock.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Adding to the "no standard bootloader" point: you can't boot your typical smartphone from a DVD or USB stick like you do for a PC. The procedure to flash a new rom is probably meant only for recovery purposes by tech support, rather than the end user

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Unlock bootloader (depending on vendor, you have to do an online verification),

A few years ago, there were huge issues with reseller unlocking the bootloader to inject ads on the phones they sold, which forced many android phone manufacturers to add online verification with long wait time to prevent bulk unlock.

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[–] neveraskedforthis 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

GrapheneOS is a really easy process, hardest part is unlocking the bootloader (which isn't hard at all).

Rest of the process is just clicking 3* buttons on a website and you're done.

*Some buttons you have to click multiple times

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, I don't have a pixel phone and they're not officially sold in my country :/

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

can confirm. the hardest part is getting a pixel phone

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

There are a lot of reasons here which are correct, but one huge Factor when I was working with custom roms was the fact that the actual underlying hardware driver and firmware were a black box. Generally speaking you would need to harvest the binary files that made things like the camera, gps, and/or touchscreen work. Sometimes it wasnt too hard if you were going from one android skin to another that used the same underlining operating system, but if you wanted to make serious changes, and the phone manufacturer wasn't great at sharing, it could take a very long time to figure out what data needed to be passed to the camera to make it turn on and be available to use. What got even worse is if you wanted to upgrade your android version (5 to 6 lets say), where android made serious changes under the hood, you ran the risk of having these blobs not even work with the system. They would expect something that android no longer passed or provided. Or they were using some deprecated API to make their function a accessable. It just became impossible to do without being able to recompile the binary only portions that weren't subject to the gpl. As android has gotten more security conscious it has made things even more complicated.

[–] BombOmOm 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I can't answer your question, but is quite unfortunate. It really shortens the lifespan of many phones as they stop receiving OS and security updates after awhile (and in many cases, right away).

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Because vendors realized they've made a mistake. They've lost control they can't regain. Same thing with game consoles.

So, it's actually a feature for the companies selling you phones.

[–] grue 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Because Linus Torvalds decided to license Linux under only version 2 of the GPL back in the day (instead of the recommended "2 or any later version"), which means Linux's license can't be upgraded to version 3 and thus devices running Linux (including Android) will forever remain vulnerable to Tivoization.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thus once again proving that GPLv3 is the best license. At least he didn't use a corporate bootlicker license like MIT.

[–] grue 7 points 6 months ago

We know exactly what would've happened if Linus had picked a permissive license instead of a copyleft one: it's called "BSD" and it's a lot less popular.

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[–] glimse 6 points 6 months ago

We all know the reason phone manufacturers don't let you easily switch off their software...This isn't a community for rhetorical venting.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

GrapheneOS's guided installation is simple enough anyone should be able to install it IMO.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

For many reasonable vendors, this process is very unlikely to brick your phone, and requires minimal effort to unlock the bootloader or load/change the recovery.

However, many phone vendors (Xiaomi was the one example I know) subsidize phone price with data surveillance and ads; so they don't want users to use other OS, as it hurts their revenue.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

GrapheneOS is a very easy install and can be done simply by plugging your phone in and clicking some buttons on the browser.

Most OEMs make this intentionally difficult. Partly for security and stability reasons but also because that device is likely feeding them data and pestering you with ads, and that makes them money, which is really all that matters at the end of the day.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

GrapheneOS is a very easy install and can be done simply by plugging your phone in and clicking some buttons on the browser.

Only if your phone is a Pixel, which isn't available in my country

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Xiaomi becomes a pain in the ass with HyperOS. It's sad. The hardware was good and you could install custom roms.

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