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Are charisma and "panache" basically the same or how would you differentiate? (self.asklemmy)

submitted 9 months ago by cheese_greater to c/asklemmy

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[–] NemoWuMing 22 points 9 months ago

Panache is the ability to show off in a more or less entertaining way, depending on talent. It's a fine line between panache and cringe, and what counts as panache in one social circle might be worthless in another.

Charisma is the ability to stand out and capture people's attention, and eventually their respect, admiration and devotion, just by the way you move, speak, act and present yourself and your ideas. If you think you have it, and you actually do, you can influence a lot. However, if you think you have it but it's not true, then you are probably a narcissist surrounded by yes men.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Panache is flair. It's a certain sort of showy style in how you act.

Charisma is habitually making people like you.

[–] SPRUNT 1 points 9 months ago

"I don't like to talk about my flair."

Also, "habitually" sounds like a negative thing when it can just be boiled down to personality for some people.

[–] RBWells 11 points 9 months ago

Panache is style, someone who can carry off a different look effortlessly - I had a coworker who wore the most ridiculous clothes but looked good in them, I think that is panache. A fashion sense that is individual and loud and still looks good.

Charisma I think of as magnetic personality, the person who draws your attention, does not demand it. Usually people who do thrive on attention. Stage presence is a form of charisma, I went to see Marcus King and he is not good looking and had on a most unflattering outfit but as soon as he started playing I forgot all about that, he was absolutely stunning and attractive in the way he moved, sung, and played guitar. He had charisma.

[–] darthsid 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I see charisma as an innate quality and panache is something you put on.

[–] cheese_greater 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What would you say about Norma Jean's confession that she turns "Marilyn Monroe" on and off and that she would likely not be recognized as Norma when she's otherwise shut down MarilynMonroe.exe?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

This. Charisma is an innate but subjective quality, and panache is how you use what you have.

Like ‘pink’ is charisma, and ‘flamingo pink’ is panache.

[–] Boozilla 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I agree with folks saying charisma is an attribute of a person, and panache is attached to an action or object. That's how I've always heard them used. But we could all be wrong compared to the dictionary definitions. Merriam Webster seems to agree, at least.

I tend to think of charisma as charm, and panache as style.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

There's a whole book I read once about how charisma being inherent is wrong and that it's a skill like any other. The Charisma Myth if anyone is interested.

[–] MightyWeaksauce 6 points 9 months ago

I always thought panache was more of something you could add to yourself like a fancy coat.

Like a feather boa would give someone panache but maybe charisma would be the ability to attract with a smile. I know nothing, just guessing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Panache is the way someone does something. Charisma is whether the person doing it is likable and charming.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Panache is one thing that can contribute to charisma.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

A great actor or politician has charisma.

A snake oil salesman has panache.

[–] cheese_greater 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why does it seem like there's a moral impertive suggested by this? What makes the politician charismatic as opposed to a charming salesman? What if the politician was a panachey salesman in a prior time?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That's what the qualifier "great" is for. A bad politician has panache. Charisma, to me, implies some charm. Panache is what P.T. Barnum used to rope suckers into seeing what an "egress" is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I hate Barnum but I have to give him credit for the egress.