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Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll (www.theguardian.com)

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Only one in 10 feel leaving the EU has helped their finances, while just 9% say it has benefited the NHS, despite £350m a week pledge according to new poll

A clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK leaving the EU single market and customs union.

The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has benefited them or the country.

Just one in 10 believe leaving the EU has helped their personal financial situation, against 35% who say it has been bad for their finances, while just 9% say it has been good for the NHS, against 47% who say it has had a negative effect.

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[–] Burn_The_Right 261 points 10 months ago (22 children)

Nothing good in human history has ever come from conservatism. Nothing at all.

[–] phoneymouse 142 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You mean a backwards looking ideology doesn’t address the needs of society today and in the future?

[–] grue 80 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Even calling it "backwards" is falling for conservatives' euphemistic lie. Conservatism has never really been about "upholding tradition" or any of the bullshit they claim; it's only ever been about authoritarianism and enforcing hierarchy. If it happens to jive with a "tradition" it is only because said tradition is authoritarian and hierarchical.

[–] LemmysMum 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's never really been conservatism, it's regressivism. They want Feudalism because they think they can be king.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The "It used to be fine so it still should be" ideology

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

When in fact it wasn't fine, it's just a bigots fever dream

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[–] rayyy 46 points 10 months ago (2 children)

conservatism

Putin worked hard to promote conservative agendas in UK, U.S. and France, to degrade those countries. It worked in all but France.

[–] Burn_The_Right 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Agreed! France really impresses me. The people there are strong-willed and don't put up with bullshit. I found myself cheering for them all year this year.

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[–] carl_dungeon 136 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Gosh, if ONLY SOMEONE WOULD HAVE WARNED PEOPLE that brexit was a terrible idea tossed together by fear mongering, self interested dickheads!!! If only someone had mentioned it was a terrible idea ahead of time!

[–] PixellatedDave 41 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Also if only more than 24% of the voters could have been arsed to vote.

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[–] fluxion 131 points 10 months ago (20 children)

Everyone saw this coming but still decided to walk off the cliff rather than admit they'd made a bad decision

[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"What we believe shapes who we are. Belief can bring us salvation or destruction. But when you believe a lie for too long, the truth doesn't set you free. It tears you apart."

[–] Gradually_Adjusting 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I spent the first twenty years of my life believing that every piece of gum you swallow stays in you forever 🪦

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[–] beebarfbadger 93 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Completely failed? That is just not true. For Johnson's co-conspirators, who lied and swindled to profit from Brexit, it absolutely caused the desired shifts in wealth - that is from everybody else into their own pockets.

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[–] doublejay1999 93 points 10 months ago (8 children)

All of the last decade, and most of the last 2, has been calamitous for Great Britain. Brexit is just one on a list of crippling blows dealt to its population.

NHS, gone
Home ownership, gone
Europe, gone
Education, gone
wages, gone
environment- going
civil rights - going

With no prospect of any of them coming back .

All sold to neoliberalism.

[–] anlumo 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The NHS, wages and civil rights were all on the chopping block of the Tories for decades, and people still voted for them in droves.

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[–] Treczoks 75 points 10 months ago

Just like most informed people predicted.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 10 months ago (13 children)

You should go crawling on your knees and beg the EU to take you back, and farage, rees-mogg and boris should pay for the entire thing.

[–] highenergyphysics 59 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My hot take: the EU is better off without them. Britain has always been a belligerent holier than thou obstacle to progress for the EU, even after they got a sweetheart deal that NO OTHER European nation got offered.

Let them rot on their island while the rest of Europe actually makes progress.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yup. If the EU takes them back, it should be with HEAVY scrutiny and no sweetheart deals. You wanna fuck around? Time to find out.

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[–] ThePowerOfGeek 56 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Gives middle finger to biggest trading partner by far.

Surprised Pikachu face when economy goes to hell.

I cannot fathom the thought process of the Regrexiters.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It makes sense when you frame Brexit in the context of "we don't like brown people". They weren't thinking about the economy. Never were.

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[–] Gazumi 55 points 10 months ago (16 children)

IF the UK rejoins the EU at any time in the future, we will certainly never have the preferential terms and disproportionate power that we'd originally had. Defacto not as good as a deal. However, STILL much better to be part of the EU than to be circling the drain as we are right now.

[–] butterflyattack 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I am still furious about Brexit on a personal level. Freedom of movement was amazing. It meant that I could just decide to go live and work in an EU country whenever I wanted. I had previously used this to spend a couple of years in Spain and maybe a year in France. I'd been planning a move to Portugal when Brexit took this away from me. All those opportunities gone because of dumb fuckers who didn't even realise we had them. Ignorant bigoted wankers. Goes without saying I voted remain. I'd be delighted to rejoin, and if it means we adopt the euro that's fine with me. It won't happen for at least a decade though, and at my age that'll be too late for me.

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[–] dezmd 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Imagine voting against Scottish Independence then getting fucked out of the EU immediately afterwards by Brexit.

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[–] recapitated 47 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It sounds like cooperation works better than unnecessary contention. Who would have guessed.

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[–] wolfylow 47 points 10 months ago

No shit, Sherlock.

[–] PanArab 46 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Any sane person would have seen this outcome coming. The leavers were still stuck in the Victorian Era with their mentality.

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[–] Custoslibera 38 points 10 months ago (3 children)

No fucking shit.

I’m still in disbelief at racist ignorant Tory cunts that voted for this.

Fuck them and their political apathy.

Fuck them and their complete disregard for factual information.

They can now lie in the bed they made, the absolute fools.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

9% say it has benefited the NHS

Are 9% of the UK shareholders of plantir or something? Cunts!

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Somebody fucked around and found out.

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[–] sighofannoyance 31 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Hey UK, Come back into the safety of EU's warm bosom.

[–] A_Random_Idiot 76 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not an expert on foreign affairs, but from what I understand, UK got kind of a sweetheart deal to be included in EU originally.

I doubt very seriously they will get such a sweet heart deal next time, since they are proven an unreliable and fickle partner.. and thats on the pretense they are allowed back in at all.

[–] MrAlpharius 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They would absolutely get allowed back. They were one of the most important economic and military powers in the EU.

But you are absolutely right in the whole "deal" thing. No pound, yes Schengen, no national exceptions, no fishing great deals and of course, EU military is a must. No more veto to the joint military for sure.

After that is clear, they would be allowed back for sure. Maybe they can keep the password as a gesture.

[–] EnderMB 26 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I got downvoted hard for saying this before, but while I don't think the UK would get all of it's benefits back, I think that they would get to retain some privileges - at the cost of others.

It's not because the UK is great or anything. The sole reason I believe the EU would welcome back the UK with open arms is to keep the UK as a friendly example of how badly your economy can fuck up after leaving. History shows that you don't kick someone when they're down, you bring them back, and form them into a useful ally.

IMO, the same deal wouldn't make sense anyway, because the UK is far weaker than they were previously. Let the UK keep the pound, but lose any special veto rights they once had.

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[–] Tattorack 31 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Oh gee. Who coulda seen that coming, huh?

Glad it happened, though. The total clown show of Brexit very quickly shut up all the Anti-EU trolls.

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[–] Twofacetony 27 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I genuinely asking for some education on Brexit, because I personally thought, and still think it was a terrible decision for the nation, but I am hoping to get a better understanding from real people and not just read articles. I know I can research it, but would like to hear personal opinions/thoughts/etc….

I am a UK citizen, but I was living my teen and mid adult life in Australia. I didn’t get to vote on Brexit as I was not residing on the country at the time, and never thought I would return. Circumstances have changed, and I have now moved back to the UK at the beginning of the year, so I’m in the thick of the Brexit mess now. I can’t comment on what life was like before Brexit, but I am now a citizen of its consequences.

From my limited understanding, and what I really need clarification and advice on is;

Brexit was a campaign point that David Cameron ran on for election. When he won, he called the referendum, but he was opposed to it. Meanwhile, the Brexit campaign was in full swing with lots of misinformation, but Cameron only decided to rally hard in the leading three months up to the vote, failing to properly educate and explain the deal to the public.

The vote was close. Somewhere in the 52%/48%

Cameron stood down

Brexit happened, finalising at the end of 2020

I know there’s a lot of nuance, and I know I’m missing a lot of major information, but is my understanding the very basic gist of what happened?

Thanks for any response

[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

From a continental EU country, I can tell you that Brexit was a shitshow from beginning to the end. The Leave campaign was clearly helped by the same Russian bots that helped Trump get the US presidency. Then, May added confusion to the shock and frustration. People kept saying lies, like it is possible to keep the common market benefits while cherry picking which regulation to follow. Then came Johnson and his lunatic demands, like creating an independent judicial body that would rule any future disagreement on the deal between UK and the EU. Then the constant whining and bullying about fisheries and goods transportation. The UK had been a beacon of hope, heart and decency for the whole 20st Century. Brexit has made it a sinister clown in Europe.