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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by MicroWave to c/news
 

The US House of Representatives is due to vote on a bill giving Chinese owner ByteDance about six months to sell that part of its business

China could use social media app TikTok to influence the 2024 US elections, the director of national intelligence, Avril Haines, has told a House of Representatives intelligence committee hearing.

Asked by Democratic Representative Raja Krishnamoorthi if China’s ruling Communist party (CCP) would use TikTok to influence the elections, Haines said “we cannot rule out that the CCP would use it”.

Lawmakers have long voiced concerns that the Chinese government could access user data or influence what people see on the app, including pushing content to stoke US political divisions.

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[–] Coach 65 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Why only TikTok? Every social media company does the exact same thing.

[–] Stovetop 54 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is true. Cambridge Analytica wasn't that long ago, either.

[–] Coach 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Right? The algorithms are all designed to stoke outrage. Why don't we do something like the EU and pass legislation that applies to all social media companies, not just demonize certain ones. What am I missing here?

[–] Stovetop 12 points 8 months ago

I can only think that TikTok's status as a state-affiliated company might have something to do with it being singled out.

In practice, however, other social media platforms are controlled by capital and state actors have a lot of capital to leverage, so there's effectively no difference other than China can do for free via TikTok what Russia and the US have to pay for on any other social media platform.

[–] Viking_Hippie 11 points 8 months ago

What am I missing here?

Mountains of hypocrisy and xenophobia.

They want to be able to tell voters on the right that they "stood up to China and big tech" and voters on the left that they "stood up to social media companies perverting democracy" without going after the American companies that do the same things but pay them a lot more in legal bribes (and probably illegal ones too).

[–] MicroWave 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

While other companies also have issues, TikTok goes further by having strong connection to the PRC:

Lawmakers have long voiced concerns that the Chinese government could access user data or influence what people see on the app, including pushing content to stoke US political divisions.

[–] Coach 15 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Oh...so it's ok if a US company pushes political division, but if it's a foreign company then it's an issue?

[–] MicroWave 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

It's more of an issue because it's a foreign company. For example, companies like Facebook (Meta) and Cambridge Analytica can be investigated and regulated by US agencies like the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). But they have no sway over TikTok's developer ByteDance because it's located outside of the US.

That's what this bill is trying to do: force ByteDance to divest.

[–] Viking_Hippie 7 points 8 months ago

companies like Facebook (Meta) and Cambridge Analytica can be investigated and regulated by US agencies like the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)

They aren't, though. Because they keep legally bribing Congress to give them more or less free rein.

[–] GlitzyArmrest 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You're gunna turn into dust by the time the government regulates Meta. The only reason they care about TikTok so much is optics and the fact that a foreign company is abusing the system in the same way as the domestic social media companies. The fix isn't to divest ByteDance, the fix is to pass actual regulation with teeth that applies to domestic and foreign companies alike.

[–] nomous 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

All things being equal, yes it's worse if it's a foreign company.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes. Literally.

[–] Viking_Hippie 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Facebook, Twitter and Google are at least as obedient to the whims of the fascist Netanyahu and Modi governments (not to mention the parts of the US government that routinely violate the rights of its own citizens and people from all other countries) as Tiktok is to the Faux-Socialist totalitarian regime of China.

[–] FlyingSquid 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't know why anyone downvoted you, you're absolutely right. All of those companies are completely beholden to foreign powers. On top of that, lawmakers are saying that as long as Bytedance officially severs itself from the PRC, they can continue existing. As if that somehow means that the PRC couldn't still use it to influence elections.

[–] Stovetop 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Minor correction: the companies are beholden to capital, a lot of which happens to be supplied by foreign powers. Facebook won't create Russian propaganda, but they'll gladly take piles of cash to host targeted misinformation from the Russian government to sway elections.

The US government seems to think that the Chinese government wouldn't likewise just pay TikTok to host the content they want anyways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Oh lmao you weren't just posting this to make fun of the headline???

[–] fustigation769curtain 6 points 8 months ago

Because China and trade war.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

America does not want non-Americans to be successful.

[–] FlyingSquid -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My guess is that they suspect that TikTok, unlike Twitter, will not help Trump.

[–] Stovetop 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Trump has now signaled he is against banning TikTok, so I expect any attempts to do so will fail in the House after all of his followers in Congress suddenly U-turn on their earlier stance.

The MAGA crowd is likely now going to spin this as an attempt by Biden to stifle the free market and control the messaging during the election.

[–] Pretzilla 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Rachel Maddow just covered this.

Drumft came out for TikTok after meeting at Mag-a-Lardo with a billionaire TikTok investor.

He's desperate for a sugar daddy to cover his half billion bar tab.

[–] glimse 1 points 8 months ago

There is no bar tab. Trump doesn't drink.

He needs a sugar daddy to cover his half billion diaper tab.