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In the past, laminated glass was usually installed in the windshield, with side and rear windows being tempered only.

The difference is that tempered glass is per-stressed so that when it cracks, it shatters into many tiny and dull pieces. Laminated is the same thing, but with layers of plastic sandwiched with layers of tempered glass. Laminated glass will still shatter, but will be held together by the plastic layers.

In an emergency, small improvised, or purpose built tools meant to shatter tempered glass will be useless if the glass is laminated.

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[–] dragontamer 185 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

The problem wasn't the glass.

The problem was using wtf touchscreen controls to shift between drive and reverse. Mrs. Chao confused the two then died.

Shitty UI kills another person. Tesla fucking up basic UI design is the real villain here.

[–] HogsTooth 93 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I still blame Jeep for thinking a rotating selector was a good idea for a gear shifter. RIP Anton Yelchin.

[–] XeroxCool 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I thought his jeep issue was that P on the dial didn't actually guarantee the parking pawl was engaged to stop it from rolling. Separate from the lack of positive engagement with the P position, more about the physical disconnect between the two. Unless that was just the non-offensive language version of "user didn't turn the dial all the way and our polite warning chime was too polite"

[–] dragontamer 10 points 8 months ago

At least you can still feel the rotating Jeep shitty gear selector.

Touchscreen controls on a Tesla have no feel or feedback. It's a touchscreen.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like both things are a problem?

[–] dragontamer 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I'm more inclined to blame Tesla's electronic locks and confusing manual override before blaming the windows though

Quick, do you know which panel to remove to find the non-electronic manual override in a Tesla? Car is sinking fast and the electronics just shorted out from the lake.

But sure, tons of bad design decisions here. It's hard to blame any one of them as the singular cause. If Tesla had easier to use manual override doors instead of electronic locks, if the windows could be broken, if the screen wasn't a confusing touchscreen mess, etc. Etc. Lots of factors and all are the cause.

[–] AA5B 1 points 8 months ago

find the non-electronic manual override in a Tesla?

a Tesla? There’s a legitimate point y’all are missing where they are different per model or over time

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Probably doesn't help that Teslas guess which direction you want to go in and you have to change it if it's wrong. https://www.autoblog.com/2021/01/28/tesla-new-gear-shifter-guesses-direction-you-want/

[–] Raiderkev 7 points 8 months ago

Yeah, only on the newer ones tho. My buddy got I wanna say a 2022? And it doesn't have that. He specifically said if it did, he wouldn't have bought it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (5 children)

she could have not floored it into a lake, but maybe I'm the only person that doesn't go balls out when they're backing out of a spot.

[–] YourAvgMortal 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Accidents happen, and people panic. Maybe she thought she was pressing the breaks and made the problem worse. I highly doubt anyone would do it intentionally.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

I don't know about you, but in these parts we spin the gear selector to random, floor it and yell "JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL!"

[–] yildolw 9 points 8 months ago

Hertz stopped offering Tesla rentals because Teslas are designed to go balls out when the pedal is lightly touched and too often that involves straight into a wall or a lake

[–] skyspydude1 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

One pedal braking makes this a bit tricky for people who are not used to it and/or panicking. You spend decades of your life having a seperate "go" and "stop" pedal, and then suddenly they're the same one. You have your foot over the accelerator, lift a bit and feel the deceleration as if you're pressing the brake.

Suddenly, something darts behind you, and your brain says "I'm feeling deceleration, so your foot is on the pedal that stops things" and you slam on it like you would the brake pedal. I've done it with the clutch/brake after hopping back and forth between a manual and automatic a few dozen times after a very long day of vehicle testing. Muscle memory is a powerful thing and your brain's mental model of the world is not always correct.

[–] AA5B -1 points 8 months ago

No, I don’t see this at all. I suppose everyone is different but I fail to see how muscle memory if taking your foot off the pedal makes you press the same pedal. Those are opposite actions.

I definitely see the thing where you think you’re pressing the brake and don’t realize you’re on the wrong pedal so you press harder. That can happen on any car

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

personally i like to sit on my bike and just topple over, then start crying

[–] arin 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Imagine if water spilled or leaked from the window onto the touchscreen, try using a wet smartphone... Could be touchscreen device malfunction or misclick causing the Tesla fatality

[–] skyspydude1 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Good thing Teslas are known to not leak at all

[–] Malfeasant 3 points 8 months ago

I feel the sarcasm dripping from this comment...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You seem to have very detailed information on how the accident happened. Care to share?

[–] dragontamer 12 points 8 months ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/a-mistake-in-a-tesla-and-a-panicked-final-call-the-death-of-angela-chao/ar-BB1jAkIW

Within minutes of saying her goodbyes, she called one of her friends in a panic. While making a three-point turn, she had put the car in reverse instead of drive, she said. It is a mistake she had made before with the Tesla gearshift. The car had zipped backward, tipping over an embankment and into a pond. It was sinking fast. Could they help her?