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The people who say they need 3 cups of black coffee to start their day are just addicts with a high tolerance that experience mild withdrawal symptoms each morning.

If you feel like that, it's your body crying for you to take a break.

If you like an occasional cup of coffee or energy drink to get through something, then that's fine. But if you ever feel like one isn't working like it used to, you should take a break from caffeine to reset your tolerance, not up the dosage like an addict.

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[–] Smokeydope 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The people who try to compare caffeine to a drug are both trying to make a mute point and have likely never done any real drugs that are truly addictive.

Yeah under the strict technical definition a drug is something you ingest that affects your body on some level. Yes caffeine is technically a drug under this definition as its a stimulant which represses the chemical signals in your brain responsible for tiredness.

Billions of people drink multiple cups a day, and some feel like they would really like some coffee in the morning. If you want to define that minor desire for coffee as an 'addict craving' well I guess nobody is stopping you from seeing it that way. So there, if you want to play the technicality game and do some mental gymnastics with your world view then I guess all frequent coffee drinkers are technially addicts to the most commonly used drug in the world.

Buuuut, heres where reality comes in. On the grand scale of all drugs that exist in the world today and their level of addictiveness/potential to destroy your life caffine is so so so far off the left side of the scale it may as not be there.

When we have a serious big boy conversation about drugs and their potential harms with people who actually know what they are talking about and lived that life, nobody is going to bring up caffeine.

I've worked in rehabs. Ive seen first hand what true addiction and harmful drugs can do to people. I've had friends whos lives/minds were destroyed by real hard opioids and narcotics. I've helped homeless strangers try to build up their lives from scratch. A vast majority of them had issues with alcohol and opioids, you want to know the demographic of affine addicts we treated? None.

You want to consider caffeine as a drug and point out how 'lots of people are technically an addict lol' fine fair enough. Just keep in mind that real truly hard drugs exist which caffeine can't hold a candle too, that severe addiction is real and infinitely more hellish than coffee cravings in the morning. And maybe by trying to compare the two and think of them on the same level is an unnuanced overly simplified opinion

[–] JokklMaster 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What? As a neuroscientist: caffeine is not "technically a drug" it is a drug. And yes, people are absolutely addicted to it. That "craving" you're talking about is withdrawal and it's real. Doesn't matter if "billions*" drink it every day. It's no mental gymnastics to say that there are millions if not billions of coffee addicts. Addict is not a defined term in the psych/neuro field so I would argue that that many people who would go through withdrawal without it are all addicted.

Wtf does it matter what other drugs are out there? Not everything is a competition. Current dependence on caffeine in our society is absolutely a problem as a result of too much stress and work pressure on everyone. Caffeine is not a cure to that.

Tl;dr: Yes caffeine is objectively a drug and yes very many people are addicted to it.

*Citation needed

[–] ripripripriprip 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean y'all are both right, no? Caffeine is a drug but its addictive nature is nothing compared to other drugs.

[–] qarbone 3 points 10 months ago

The secondary point, as mentioned, is "who said anything about comparative addictiveness?" Is heroin not bad because it isn't as addictive as meth*? How is that relevant to the point that coffee can be addictive? Saying "claiming coffee is addictive just shows you've never been on hard narcotics" is at the level of an ad hominem, as if their point is invalidated by their sobriety.

*I have no idea the relative addictiveness of either (or really any drugs)