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Another player who was at the table during the incident sent me this meme after the problem player in question (they had a history) left the group chat.

Felt like sharing it here because I'm sure more people should keep this kind of thing in mind.

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[–] zeppo 201 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Why would that even be a problem? Plenty of blind people in ancient stories, myths and legends. Probably better off without this person.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I mean on one side you'd have the magic to heal many if not all disabilities.

On the other hand in reality we have wheel chairs and stuff to heal and prevent many diseases, too, but still not everyone can get those...

[–] [email protected] 125 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As a fun saying goes "The future is here, it's just not evenly distributed"

The same could easily apply to magics of many kinds

[–] [email protected] 90 points 11 months ago

Every time I see shit about cutting edge prosthetics with near-full motion capability, controllable via muscles and nerves or whatever they even use nowadays, I'm reminded of my friend from work who couldn't even afford something beyond a simple plastic harness arm that essentially is just to make it look like he has an arm, with no utility value.

He would take it off during work because it just got in the way, but wore it out to avoid all the questions about it with randos.

Every time I see things about cancer treatments I'm reminded of a few people I knew from my parents social events that have died in the last 10 years simply because they couldn't afford the treatments. A few even got divorced to keep their debt from ruining their spouse after they're gone.

The future can be here all it wants, but until everyone has access to it, we may as well be considered a medieval society.

[–] Archpawn 6 points 11 months ago

5e isn't that bad. Even poor people make two silver a day, and if hiring someone to cast a second level spell to cure a family member of blindness was more than they could afford, you could get so rich casting for money. But those rules are just a suggestion, and I'd probably make it so at least some cases of blindness are a little harder to cure. And you could also make it so economic disparity is much worse.

[–] echo64 51 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We have the ability to make Tuberculosis not exist and have for half a century. At least 1.6 million unnecessary deaths occurred because of it in 2022. Anyone who can't think further than the first point has the thought capabilities of a gnat.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago

I just found John Green‘s account.

On a serious note, it is really sickening to hear stuff like this. It’s not even that those drugs are crazy expensive or extremely difficult to distribute. It’s just greed and very bad distributed wealth

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

We have the ability to make Tuberculosis not exist and have for half a century.

Please tell me more. My knowledge about this must be very outdated.

There are a lot of things that are really only failing for a lack of distributing ressources. But Tubercolosis (where our once widely used vaccine was mostly ineffective in eradicating it and the treatment is complicated and long requiring monitoring of each patient because of the possibility of secondary infection from the antibiotics or organ damage) is not what comes to my mind first, second or for quite a while.

In fact in both cases research is ongoing in search for more effective vaccines and easier treatments (primarily for shorter treatment periods as well as against the multiple antibiotic resistences), because our tools today are not actually up to the task.

[–] echo64 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Our tools today are absolutely up to the task. Of those deaths, how many of them do you think are in rich countries vs. the rest of the world.

Seventeen of the twenty-two countries that account for 80 percent of the world’s TB burden are classified as low income (GNP per capita of less than US$760, World Bank 2000). Within countries the prevalence of TB is higher among the poor, and other vulnerable groups such as the homeless. Studies in both high income and low-income countries (USA, United Kingdom, Germany, Norway, Vietnam, Mexico and Philippines) reveal significantly higher rates of TB in poor populations (Davies et al. 1999; Grange 1999; Barnes 1998; Tupasi et al. 2000).

The costs for people in low income countries are so high that often they are unattainable

TB patients and households in sub-Saharan Africa often incurred high costs when utilizing TB treatment and care, both within and outside of Directly Observed Therapy Short-course (DOTS) programs. For many households, TB treatment and care-related costs were considered to be catastrophic because the patient costs incurred commonly amounted to 10% or more of per capita incomes in the countries where the primary studies included in this review were conducted.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3570447/

This helps the disease spread and fester in these countries. Whereas so called developed nations reap the benefit of something that does not need to be a problem for anyone.

[–] seth 5 points 11 months ago

Something that struck me as so obvious only after losing faith was when one of the "new atheists" pointed out that of all the miraculous healings people claim their gods do even today, they never seem to heal amputees.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The Blind Swordsman is a massive trope in fantasy literature. Take a look at David Carradine’s character in Circle of Iron for an archetypal example. It’s a staple in many kung fu movies - the Master uses their hyper developed senses for sounds and for movements in the air to sense and react to their enemies. Or take Luke Skywalker fighting the drone with his eyes covered by using the Force. Hodr was the blind son of Odin.

Blindness also occurs throughout mythic traditions, sometimes as punishment by the gods. It occurs in Greek and Jewish myths. The witch-woman in Hawk the Slayer was blind (played by the great Patricia Quinn, who also starred as Magenta in Rocky Horror).

I think it makes perfect thematic sense to include blindness in characters. A blind beggar, a blind prophet, or a blind samurai are all staples of the fantasy tradition. I’d actually love it if we had to work out a player character who is blind, but that would take a fair amount of effort. I think the payoff would be remarkable and memorable, though.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Critical Role had a guest playing a blind character. It was a wizard with folk hero background who used his bird familiar to see. He was awesome.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I could swear he was a cleric who somehow had the familiar spell. Yeah, cleric: https://criticalrole.fandom.com/wiki/Shak%C3%A4ste

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Shakäste and his familiar the Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna! Very awesome character.

[–] ProtonEvoker 3 points 11 months ago

Played by Khary Patyon, aka the voice of Cyborg for the last two decades.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There's also the common modern fantasy trope of blind heroes - Daredevil, blind swordmasters, demon hunters from Warcraft, etc. I wouldn't count these characters as "disability representation" because they can perceive their environment as well as a sighted character could, but they certainly set a precedent for meeting a blind NPC in an RPG.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Those are from our world where magic is no more than a suggestion. In dungeons and dragons magic is tangible and can very easily cure blindness or any other ailment

[–] zeppo 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, that doesn’t mean everyone is perfect and beautiful though. Maybe they can’t afford to pay a sorcerer. Oh, I know! Maybe they have a curse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Those are great explanations and if that was the case I would try to help them because it's ridiculous being blind in that world. But the vibe op gives off suggests to me that they weren't planning on someone helping them, they were just there for diversity.