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A tweet from the George Takei Twitter account which states:

"A Democrat was in the White House when my family was sent to the internment camps in 1941. It was an egregious violation of our human and civil rights.

It would have been understandable if people like me said they’d never vote for a Democrat again, given what had been done to us.

But being a liberal, being a progressive, means being able to look past my own grievances and concerns and think of the greater good. It means working from within the Democratic party to make it better, even when it has betrayed its values.

I went on to campaign for Adlai Stevenson when I became an adult. I marched for civil rights and had the honor of meeting Dr. Martin Luther King. I fought for redress for my community and have spent my life ensuring that America understood that we could not betray our Constitution in such a way ever again.

Bill Clinton broke my heart when he signed DOMA into law. It was a slap in the face to the LGBTQ community. And I knew that we still had much work to do. But I voted for him again in 1996 despite my misgivings, because the alternative was far worse. And my obligation as a citizen was to help choose the best leader for it, not to check out by not voting out of anger or protest.

There is no leader who will make the decision you want her or him to make 100 percent of the time. Your vote is a tool of hope for a better world. Use it wisely, for it is precious. Use it for others, for they are in need of your support, too."

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The last paragraph I find particularly powerful and something more people really should take into account.

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[–] gmtom 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Very tangential, but why do Americans like to claim they're the workds oldest democracy? That's just so incredibly untrue to the point of being funny.

[–] MJKee9 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Oldest existing democracy, not the first one to ever exist. Here is an article that discusses the basis and legitimacy of this claim: https://www.valuewalk.com/top-10-countries-with-oldest-democracies/

[–] gmtom 4 points 11 months ago

I mean that article kind of proves my point. It's the world's oldest ******* democracy.

Only when you include a bunch of qualifiers of what counts. Like constitutional democracies that have some voting rights for black people and women and not including dependant nations or colonies. And even then it gives a few examples of why its still not the oldest.

[–] icedterminal 3 points 11 months ago

I have absolutely no idea. Whenever people say it's the oldest or the birth of democracy, I just chuckle and tell them to read a history book.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm an American. It's definitely not something I was ever taught in school. I've only begun to hear it recently, in fact. I mean we learned about the Ancient Greeks when I was in school...

Also, I knew about Iceland a long time ago.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean aside from San Marino, what others are there that are older and still around?

[–] gmtom 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The obvious one being the United Kingdom with either Bill of rights in 1689 or the first UK Parliament in 1707, depending on how you define it. Either way over half a century before the American revolution.

[–] Zoboomafoo 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's a constitutional monarchy, not a democracy

[–] gmtom 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So then the US is a Republic not a democracy and doesn't count either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Because depending on what exactly one means when they say it, it's arguably true that it is in fact the oldest extant liberal democracy, that's why. There are a lot of potential objections, many of which are perfectly valid, but I'm not here to defend the proposition, I am simply telling you why people say it.