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What's with the schism between lemmygrad and beehaw? (self.asklemmy)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Chraccoon to c/asklemmy

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I am exploring Lemmy right now and what I see is very worrying to me, but I also don't understand wth is going on with some instances here. I don't know if it's smart to post this, but here we go.

I am partial to Marxist and anarchist ideology, but lemmygrad looks completely unhinged to me. Is it a parody? Some content is fine and some of it is insane.

On the other hand, beehaw looked super inviting from the outside and I even applied to join them. Then, I looked closer and that instance's moderation looks totalitarian and rigid in the other way. (I understand why they blocked lemmygrad though...)

I'm seeing this impact other communities in different ways and there's some kind of witch hunt happening on both sides...

I want to interact with people that can respect each-other and that can hold open-minded discussions about any topics without devolving into some tribal war.

Edit: I realize my post is not a simple question... Let me clarify some thoughs:
-I do not mean beehaw is far-right. The just seem strict and that's their right.
-I worry profiles can "inherit" the bad reputation of instances they interacted with and get pre-emptively banned.
-People are used to reddit and tend to centralize. Is the "just switch community" really an option?
-English is far from my first language and I might've judged things too quickly/harshly so take my criticism with a grain of salt.

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[–] DarraignTheSane 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

lemmygrad looks completely unhinged to me
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[Beehaw's] moderation looks totalitarian and rigid

Yes. They're not on the opposite sides politically, but are on opposite ends of the spectrum for tolerating wack-a-do nonsense.

[–] Chraccoon 9 points 2 years ago

Yeah, not opposite politically. You described it better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

and how exactly is beehaw totalitarian? ive been very explicit in my language while using beehaw since it was a tiny miny server. is it perfect? oh hell no ive got a lot to say but totalitarian?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One indication is that they defederate several hundred instances, far more than any other Lemmy instance does, and some for no apparent reason and with nothing at all objectionable.

[–] whitehatbofh 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah, they just defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.

Although, they did give reasons. Trying to boil down their wall of text, those reasons am to boil down to their perceived difficulty in keeping heehaw a safe space when those other two Ibarra have own registration policies.

[–] Chronokill 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm a total noob when it comes to this federation stuff, but what does this mean for me, an account-holder of a 3rd party instance (lemmy.world) but likes to subscribe to a lot of the beehaw communities. Will they no longer show up to me? Do I have to jump through additional hoops (I'm really trying to not have to juggle multiple accounts across instances) if I want all my info in one place?

[–] scorchingheat 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I had the exact same question and got some answers in this post.

The short story seems to be:

users in beehaw.org no longer see new posts and comments created by users of lemmy.world
users in lemmy.world no longer see new posts and comments by users in beehaw.org
existing posts and comments from beehaw.org (from before the defederation) are still accessible and interactable by lemmy.world users, however only other lemmy.world users will see those replies.

[–] minimar 1 points 2 years ago

I honestly love that this is how defederation works, you can still see the content and even respond to it, it just doesn't reach that original instance.