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Pretty sure California sends more funds to the federal government than they receive every year... Would be a shame if they just didn't do the back and forth and kept their funds to use as they see for instead.
I'm sure States like Alabama wouldn't miss that California tax revenue making it's way to them at all.
Calexit is approved for signature gathering. Trump might just push California right out.
I'd like to see Colorado in that mix.
Can Oregon join? Maybe Washington too.
And the Northeast?
NY/VT/CT etc are fairly democratic and could likely form a coalition.
Anywhere else, fight or move. You're political refugees now.
I'm here for Oregone and Washingtoodaloo.
Me too..we could become South West Canada or stick to North West America....Pronounced NewAhh.
"United States of Cascadia" has a decent ring.
Or just "Cascadia", I've heard it called before.
Did you just call me an N'wah‽‽‽
Newhaatizen?
Of course not. They're strongly against socialist policies like that.
Yes, but to do this individual Californians would all have to stop paying federal income taxes.
No they would need to pay them into bonds to comply with the Spirit of the law but not the letter of the law. When the federal government represents California again the bonds can be released.
Sure, but if individuals don’t pay the IRS, they can do all sort of shit, including garnishing your wages.
They could certainly try but that requires actual enforcement and California has the economic power.
Sure, but they can just target businesses with 668 form to garnish wages of employees, and if businesses don’t comply, they can fuck with the businesses ability to conduct national or international business.
California has its own ports, national guard and most of the United States naval power for that side of the planet. Again they can try, it's all well and good to say on paper but once red states light up in unrest because the government tap shuts off things get real unpredictable real fast.
The national guard is the federal reserve military and Trump can override any governor’s whenever. And given that the armed services tend to swing Republican, having them commit mass insubordination seems unlikely.
You guys are just describing the opening of a civil war. Both of you.
Just to clarify, I’m not arguing in support of CA withholding taxes or trying to obstruct with the guard. I’m arguing that both of those ideas are terrible and riddled with holes. But you’re right, those ideas are also dangerous.
No. The national guard was a compromise to remove militias and this a large part of state autonomy. They are beholden to the state first and the federal government second, the national guard can be called by the president and a governor can refuse the order or recall troops if the order is contrary to "actual service of the United States".
Similarly military forces don't actually swing hard right, they're center right I'll agree there.
Trump would just do what Eisenhower did in the late 50’s - use the Insurrection Act to federalize the Guard.
I’m all for a way to stick it to Trump, but not paying taxes doesn’t have an easy solution. The collection is done per person / household, enforcement can easily be done nationally by garnishing wages, and the guard can’t stop that.
Bro you seen to misunderstand how payroll works.
If I work 8 hrs and get a paycheck that paycheck only has deductions because the payroll software calculated withholding and withheld it.
If I work the same 8hrs and my boss figures withholdings all they have to do it cut me a personal or business check for the correct amount and store the withholding of better yet the employee stores the withholding in bond.
Nothing is magically withheld automatically and teleported to the federal Treasury.
so nice to not have to post this comment, never see this point on reddit or x
Are you kidding me? I’ve seen this point in Reddit for a decade now. It comes up in r/politics all the time
I finally called it x, accepting twitter is dead and never coming back lol, calling it twitters like a compliment or giving it way too much credit
I call it xitter, pronounced shitter.
Same, except I spell it xitler
This is the way.