A screenshot from Back To The Future. Doc has Marty and his girlfriend in the car, and is saying "GUI? Where we're going, we don't need GUI!"
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Hard disagree.
GUIs made computers/operating systems accessible. In fact, I would argue that we need even less command line in Linux distributions for the most common tasks and even those beyond that. The hardcore Linux fan won't agree, I guess, but IMO that's one of the ongoing needs in Linux accessibility and wider acceptance.
Good example is YasT in OpenSuse. A GUI for much of the stuff other distributions require knowledge of terminal commands, though it really is for Sys. Admins.
Mint and its big daddy Ubuntu have done well for the average user. I hope that this trend will continue and companies will support Linux better than they are now.
We need to get normies on Linux. Full stop.
We did get normies on Linux. 70% of people use an Android phone. That's Linux.
Linux can be dead easy to use, and normies can get used to it. It's just a matter of the technology and the brand, both of which Valve seems to be working on lately. Linux is happening.
Android uses the linux kernel. It has little to do with what we actually mean when we say linux IMHO
then you should say systemd/linux /s
me: I use GNU/linux/systemd/Wayland/Plasma. what do you use?
my grandma: the computer
It's a lot easier to get normies to use Linux if you tell them it's what their phone runs on
And how much command line does the average user use while operating their android phone?
None? As it should be??
I am extremely confused about what you're trying to say with the meme, then.
I think they are doing something that doesn't require a gui
Doc is probably a Linux nerd who does everything in the CLI.
Doc was a physics nerd from the 1880s into the 2010s. He didn't do cli, he did lower level than that.
Android got people on Linux the same way routers got people on BSD.
And besides the mobile environment should definitely NOT be used as an example for the desktop space. It's a disgusting mess of strict vendor controls and proprietary crap trying to put heavy limits on what the user can or cannot do with their hardware. Absolutely don't want that for my PC. I already have a sneaking suspicion that that's where we're headed with ARM on desktop, which is a scary thought.
How do I access the CLI on my phone?
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.termux/
Every few years I buy a new computer and then install a fresh copy of whatever UI friendly distro that the community is gushing over. Each time has seen significant improvements but each time I'm spending my time in the terminal.
I'm not even a normie. I run Synology with docker containers. I operate my own website. I just don't wanna be in the terminal just to play my PC games.
I think the problem is that it's just easier to explain what to do for someone having a problem by telling them to paste a line of text into the terminal. Having to walk a user through gui navigation is a pain.
That means, though, that anyone getting help to get gud at Linux is going to mostly be leaning terminal commands.
Quite the opposite. Walking people through terminal commands is a pain. Cryptic commands that often obscure their true meaning and functionality, where every typo leads to failure.
On the other hand, asking someone to open "Software" and just click on the "Install" button of whatever they searched for is infinitely better than explaining how to update the package index, add a repo and so forth.
And that's just installing software.
New kernel? The average user shouldn't know about that. Just install it with an OS upgrade. File editing? Stop opening explanations with "sudo nano...", start with "open your favourite text editor". Or better: " click on settings and activate option xyz." And so forth.
I use the terminal myself. Sometimes because I want to. Often because I have to. I wish I had the option more often.
But the opposite is true when you're by yourself. If you're staring at the terminal, literally infinite commands are possible. If you've got a GUI, the designers had to spend a little time thinking about what all the operations in the program were, and how to organize and access them. You, the user, then get to navigate this mini-help-guide that is the GUI in order to figure out what you need to do. Yes, it's more work for the programmer, but that's the entire point of programming. Do a little more work up front in order to save yourself and others a lot of work down the road.
This guy gets it.
I just spent 5 days with full ADHD hyper focused trying to install Standard Notes on my Synology. Even with the help of forums and ChatGPT I can't get it to work.
I think the last time I tried a Linux distro, I couldn't get my gaming steering wheel to work properly and spent 3 days also failing.
Drag agrees with you. Drag just had a funny conversation recently about a particular Linux tool that had a desktop version and a CLI version, and drag was asked which drag wanted. Drag would personally prefer to use it on the CLI, though drag is glad the GUI exists. And then this meme popped into drag's head.
Are you referring to yourself in the third person?
No. Drag uses person-independent pronouns.
You actually do frequently post in the third person. For a recent example, you said
That is structured as a third person sentence. A first person version would be, "Drag think drag get it, thanks!" Basically, you don't always conjugate for first person. Since your name/nickname and pronoun only differ by capitalization, though, neither form quite looks right in English.
Why are you referring to drag in the third person???
Just kidding! Drag understands that "you" is a second person pronoun. But you see, it uses the same conjugation as they/them pronouns. Since you think conjugation determines person, you're forced to think that either they/them is second person or you is third person.
Drag doesn't have to worry about that, because drag knows there's no relationship between conjugation and person. And now you do too.
Such a bizarrely stupid social experiment.
No, GUI is actually great and opened up computers to billions more people.
I think anyone reading this can gather that I'm referring to this "drag" nonsense. Not for one second has anyone believed you go around IRL requiring people to call you "drag". It's blatantly obvious that you're just trolling because you think you can get away with it.
Drag doesn't require anyone to use drag's preferred pronouns, online or in meatspace. But drag's fiance @[email protected] does gender drag correctly and so do drag's friends.
Yeah this is what no one believes
Welcome to drag, been seeing drag on lemmy for a while now so I just accept drag to use the internet as drag likes, making memes and talking in the third person
Except that they've co-opted a practice of trans people who are genuinely trying to be true to their inner selves. Instead of doing that, they make a mockery out of it because most people are too afraid to call them out on the "drag" thing being a bullshit troll campaign.
Oh I never really thought about it. I thought they just like dragons a lot and were playing a weird internet persona
If it is a bullshit troll campaign then it's obviously designed to get people fed up about pronouns and sow discord. The intention is for more people to decide they don't care about "this stupid neo pronoun bullshit" and for each person that gets fed up about this, trans inclusivity falls in the community.
If it is not a bullshit troll campaign then it isn't any weirder than other folks I've seen before on the internet. Furries and/or otherkin and/or whatever. I might not understand it, but I'm not about to come out here and tell them their self expression is incorrect. Frankly it's none of my fuckin' business. Doesn't hurt me any one way or the other and it might make someone else happy.
So with that as my perspective, I'm just going in whole hog on absolutely respecting the shit out of this, because if they are a troll then they'll almost certainly get tired of this eventually, and if they aren't, then I don't give half a damn what you want to call yourself. Especially if you don't make a scene when people don't comply. I've never seen Drag make a scene about other people's choice of what to call them, I've only ever seen other people raise questions about how Drag refers to themself.
So, yeah. Do I think it's a little weird? Sure, it is. Is it harmful? Nah, not really. The only harmful part I'm seeing is how six people want to interrogate them about it every time Drag makes a post about anything and it always overtakes the comment section. It's attention seeking behavior, sure, but it isn't harmful to anyone, that I can see.
You just outlined an insidious possibility that hurts people and then kind of skated past that, as if because you can't prove it, it's not real.
That possibility is near certainty to me. It makes them happy to see people annoyed and undermine people they don't like. That's all that is. And that's nothing to defend.
Point taken I guess. Personally I didn't view this as some insidious plan, I just kind of assumed the internet is full of wacky folks. Which it definitely is. I like to be inclusive of all who return the favor and personally I've never had any sort of beef with Drag before in our limited interactions.
But then again I am not a moderator or admin so my opinion means very little.