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Yes but saying the mass murderers death is a terrible loss to society is kind of silly, no?
Who said that? I’m talking about the human, not the employee. We’re also talking about an official political statement, not public discourse.
He had a family. Seriously. Politicians publicly telling his children, “We’re all happy your dad is dead because of his career choice!” just doesn’t resonate with me.
They're one in the same, he had power, he could have changed things. He MADE the decisions he did, he CHOSE to pump up those denial numbers and profits at the expense of human life. Nobody is forced to be a CEO.
Fuck. Him.
That’s a one-dimensional reduction of a human being. I’m sorry, but I’m just not that closed-minded.
Imagine defending a sociopath and then having the utter gall to claim the moral high ground.
Tim Walz is a sociopath? He’s who I’m defending. I didn’t write a single nice thing about the CEO, only that his death likely devastated his family and politicians should be respectful for the sake of his loved ones.
Bullshit. You were absolutely talking about the CEO, and trying to retcon it only makes you look dishonest and weak.
Please point to the comment where I wrote anything at all good about the CEO. All I said is that I have empathy for his family and loved ones, and I think that politicians should be compassionate around his death for the sake of his family.
It’s cool if we disagree, but don’t misrepresent me.
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I guess we're just different. Where you consider a person dying to be worthy of respect, I instead consider him to be an inhuman monster and thus not worthy of being considered a "person".
What does that say about the CEO other than he was a human who had loved ones? I never suggested that the CEO is the one deserving of respect.
If he's not deserving of respect, why do they need to be respectful?
Again, I’m not saying he deserves an ounce of respect. I’m saying they should be civil out of respect to his family and loved ones. They are innocent people who just lost someone they love.
You know what you call someone who loves and cares for an inhuman monster? An inhuman monster.
The hundreds of thousands that have suffered severely or died because of the conscious decision he made to deny healthcare just so he could rake in millions of dollars from those decisions also had families.
Lol the fuck outta here with your bad faith horseshit, you damn clownshow.
Oh. So you mean exactly how insurance company CEOs and their boards do? Every. Single. Day.
They sure won't care about reducing you to a one-dimensional number on an excel spreadsheet.
You haven't actually suggested any way in which the guy's work and behaviour could be viewed "three-dimensionally". While I can agree that discourse especially online slips into dehumanisation of (real or imagined) enemies too easily... this is really not a case where this is the incorrect approach.
Edit: Regarding the guy's family, I can agree that they did not deserve the death of the father/husband. But that does not really concern the guy by himself, his own moral character, it's someone else's problem. When a criminal gets sent to jail or executed, does anyone really give a crap about how much his family will suffer from that? Not really, the criminal is assumed to be a morally independent being that can tell right from wrong by himself, and his failure to do that is his own.
I agree, It is really sad for the family of this guy, and I feel bad for them.
That being said, I feel WORSE for the millions of families who have lost a family member due to this CEOs sociopathic decisions.
I think you put it really well with the criminal comparison. This CEO was a criminal, just one that was above the law of the US, who was never going to be brought to justice for his crimes in any other way.
There are many stories of people being confronted with the fact that their beloved grandfather or uncle or whoever had been a nazi who killed hundreds of people in the holocaust. Should we soften the discussion of that evil to protect the feeling of their descendants? This man’s children should live with the fact that every comfort they have in life was purchased with the blood and tears of people their father considered worthless.
Hitler had children
Tim waltz just did
They are one and the same. We aren't talking about a guy making minimum wage putting down puppies here. He had a networth of 40 million, he could have retired 10 years ago. He choose to keep bringing about suffering on millions out of greed.
I wasnt expecting Tim Waltz to start posting memes about it but a simple "Violence has no place in our society but there are clear problems in our Healthcare system that must be fixed" would have been much better. Thoughts and prayers to a modern day nazi prison guard isn't the way to go imo.