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Counterpoint: Society should be pressuring people not to increase food waste just because they can afford throw stuff away for no reason.
People throwing away crust isn't even a grain of sand in the ocean of food waste. But as stated in my original comment, you can choose to eat the crust if that feels important to you. And even though you would be wrong for pressuring other people to eat crusts, the other person should do whatever the fuck they want despite your pressuring
This opinion is a similar vein as "there's no point recycling plastic because most plastic waste is caused by industry". We are all grains of sand on this earth. And in turn we are all full of microplastics.
Plastics recycling doesn't happen much because it is an expensive process, and new plastic is too cheap. Even if you put it in the blue recycling bin, it's fairly unlikely that it actually gets recycled and used again.
Metals actively get recycled well. Paper and glass recycle okay, but in practice also face problems.
Some coverage:
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1131131088/recycling-plastic-is-practically-impossible-and-the-problem-is-getting-worse
https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/glass-recycling.htm
Yes there is a problem with more disposable, non-recyclable plastics being used. Of course that's on industry to fix. That does not mean plastic recycling is pointless. If you're in the privileged position to literally have a bin specifically for that, recyclable plastics will be filtered out and recycled. If you have that and they don't, that's on your municipality to fix. Deciding to not bother with the process which is right there in front of you because you read it's "not 100%" is super dumb.
From the NPR source I listed earlier. Industry has no interest or ability in fixing this issue by recycling, and vanishingly few municipalities are likely to subsidize plastics recycling to a level at which it makes an appreciable dent in plastic waste.
The plastics industry has cynically forwarded the idea of plastics recycling despite knowing it was unfeasible. We need to drastically reduce plastic use, and probably limit the types of plastic produced for the sorting problem to be mitigated enough that recycling or a clean disposal method is feasible.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-plastic-industry-knowingly-pushed-recycling-myth-for-decades-new-report-finds
Right. As I said (whether or not they have interest) the fix for usage, production and sorting is on them. Much like if you have plastics recycling available, it is absolutely on you to use it.
Plastic is a finite resource that is not going to disappear from global usage any time soon. Just throwing your hands up and saying "only x% actually gets recycled" or "where I live they don't do it well" is just adding to the existing problem.
Just fucking recycle.
These statements are you throwing up your hands, but towards the actual problem of plastic waste.
Where I live is on Earth, they don't do it well anywhere here. In the US, people have been actively trying to get people to recycle more since the 70s, plastic recovery from recycling barely gets over 5% and that's consistent throughout that 50 year period. That's not just "not 100%" that's dismal.
As an initiative it has been wildly unsuccessful at best, and a cynical distraction at worst. The plastics industry is largely the same entities as the oil and gas industry, and they have run the same playbook to defer meaningful action against their damaging products.
To bring it back: People not recycling plastics is equivalent to people not eating their pizza crusts in that they are trivial and ineffectual solutions to the problems of waste.
Welcome to earth. Here outside the US there are countries that recycle up to 35% of plastic waste and intend to recycle more through regulations on types of plastic used and improvements in processes. https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subject-area/environment/waste/waste-packaging/pong/tables-and-graphs/recycling-targets/
It's not dwindling, it's not dismal and it's certainly not pointless.
To bring it back: choosing to not recycle your plastic because you think only 5% of it will get recycled is indeed as stupid as throwing away your pizza crusts and thinking it doesn't contribute to food wastage.
Actually there's no point in recycling plastic because the plastic you put in the recycling bin ends up in a landfill anyway, so yes we should be going after the industries instead of blaming individuals
That very much depends on where you live. Deciding to not recycle because you think it doesn't get done properly in your locality is just as dumb as not recycling because you think industry is a bigger polluter.
I understand that climate change isn't being entirely caused by you not recycling properly, but that doesn't mean it's not a shitty move to just say fuck it and not even bother trying.
Imagine, long after humans are extinct and the things we created are obliterated or decayed into their component parts. Other life has taken over and the planet has done its volcanic and plate shifting things, the rains and oceans have done their erosion. Then another highly intelligent species evolves.
First of all they're going to have a hard time with their industrial revolution because we took all the easy metals and fossil fuels, but maybe the planet has had enough time to churn some things up.
This new species marvels at the qualities of a certain stratified layer rarely observed above ground. Eventually drilling leads to a discovery of this layer over most of the earth. And it's fucking plastic.
5% worldwide? It absolutely matters where you live. Look at progressive countries and you will see that it is not that low a percentage when people actually make an effort: https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subject-area/environment/waste/waste-packaging/pong/tables-and-graphs/recycling-targets/
None of this knowledge is a reason to not use recycling when it is available. When you have a waste bin and a recycling bin and just put plastics in the waste, that's a douche move.
guess you never learned to finish your plate.
there's kids starving in Africa for fucks sake
Yeah me not cleaning my plate doesn't magically give them food.
/s I assume?
We never insult you tongue in cheek. We do that for others, but for you we really mean it.
But that's exactly what i said - do whatever the fuck you want! If you want to eat the crust so you don't create as much food waste, then eat the crust! You're an adult, you can do whatever you want!
If you eat food just because you "Don't want to waste it", you become the wastebin.
I'll mail the leftover crusts to "children in Africa", maybe that will solve the world hunger.
Or, you know, someone in need nearby. There are homeless people eating out of garbage and families using food banks everywhere. But then you'd also look like an asshole for just giving them a bunch of crusts instead of a whole slice.
How about just not buying more food than you can eat? Or save a couple of slices for the next day? Or give someone else a slice before you fill up on the inner circle of your plate of food?
Have you ever been outside?
Homeless people aren't just everywhere. Normal countries deal with homeless people properly - they house them and take care of them
I don't know how much pizza I'm going to get at a restaurant.
I don't always go home, so boxing leftovers is not always an option.
It's almost like idiotic blanket statements like "be a man, eat the crust" are fucking moronic.
Be an adult and treat your body with respect. Listem do your stomach and your brain, not what some weirdos online think is "the right thing to do".
Plus, if I leave the crust, it signals the restaurant that the portion is too big.