*please note i deeply value and respect the vegan movement. i am just critical of how humorously it precipitates in online spaces, particularly this one. :)
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basically the same way we assert the right to tell people to stop using ai, to stop being racist, sexist, transphobic, using planes or heavy cars, giving money to fascists…
chosing to view animals as resources is not about diet, it’s about power over sentient beings and hierarchy of lives based on species.
Holy false equivalences, Batman! Are you going for the record or are you really THAT bad at discerning wildly disparate concepts and levels of severity from each other? 🤦
Now class, over here is a blatant example of the ad hominem fallacy
Nope. They're objectively spewing a large array of false equivalence and my personal comment was directly and logically derived from that and that only.
It was thus logically sound AKA not a fallacy.
Your comment, on the other hand, is a textbook example of a reverse causation fallacy strawman combo:
you portray my criticism of their argument as a personal criticism when in fact my subsequent personal criticism is based on the illogic of their argument and nothing else.
You literally asked if they were that bad at logic while offering no actual refute to what they had to say. But whatever, have a nice day
"Those are not at all equivalent" IS a refutation.
It's not my job to spoonfeed bigots about exactly how my dietary (lack of) choices is different from hating trans and black people while sponsoring fascism 🙄
If your diet includes meat, you are most likely causing the death of an animal. If you believe that killing animals is wrong, then it follows that eating meat is also wrong. As to what is more wrong versus what is less wrong, that varies from culture to culture and age to age. Perhaps they believe that killing an animal is almost as bad as killing a human. Their argument is sound; it is just based on different axioms than yours.
No. Their argument is based on applying their subjective beliefs that I don't share to my actions and as such by definition not sound.
It's a 1:1 equivalent of anti choice people calling abortion murder.
Do you believe that racism or sexism is wrong? Do you think a racist or sexist person would share your belief? Are you not, then, applying your subjective beliefs that they don't share to their actions?
We judge others based on our moral standards, not theirs. To someone who sees the killing of an animal as a great sin, your actions might therefore seem wrong.
You're acting EXACTLY like an anti choice person asking me if I think murder is wrong because I believe in a woman's right to choose 🤦
Not necessarily and not necessarily not, since they're in no way related.
No. Their veganism is actively selected by them based on their subjective beliefs about animals being basically human.
My lack of veganism is not based in ideology.
I don't eat grains based on the belief that insects are worth less than other animals. I eat grains to be sated, for their nutritional value, and for their taste.
Exactly the same reason why I sometimes eat meat.
Or maybe a general opposition to violence, or a concern for the ecological impact of domestic animals, or a fear that it could cause the next pandemic.
This is a weak argument. Based on your abortion example, I'm guessing you are from the US or southern Europe. So, you might know of the Confederate States of America and/or Fascist Iberia / Italy. In those places, were there not people who did not consciously support slavery / fascism, but went along with it because they 'did not have an ideology'? How would you judge them?
Further, on your not having an ideology, do you support the eating of humans? Monkeys? Cats? Dogs? Which animals are haram to you, and which ones are halal?
Ok, that's it. You have officially crossed the line from a zealot spewing increasingly false equivalences to saying that everyone who doesn't agree with you is equivalent to slave owners and fascists.
I'm done indulging your self-righteous hallucinations. Have the day you deserve.
PS: No, I'm not from the US or southern Europe. I chose the abortion example because of complete topical symmetry, not because it's a hot topic here in Denmark. It hasn't been since the 1970s.
I'm not vegan, although I agree with most of their arguments, so I can't be self-righteous about it.
Since English is not your first language, I apologise if my wording was confusing. My point was that accepting whatever is seen as normal, or refusing to make a choice, is itself an action, one that says that you agree with your society's ideology.
I said have the day you deserve. I'm done with your Dunning Kruger poster boy nonsense.