*please note i deeply value and respect the vegan movement. i am just critical of how humorously it precipitates in online spaces, particularly this one. :)

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[–] Viking_Hippie -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Their argument is sound; it is just based on different axioms than yours.

No. Their argument is based on applying their subjective beliefs that I don't share to my actions and as such by definition not sound.

It's a 1:1 equivalent of anti choice people calling abortion murder.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No. Their argument is based on applying their subjective beliefs that I don't share to my actions and as such by definition not sound.

Do you believe that racism or sexism is wrong? Do you think a racist or sexist person would share your belief? Are you not, then, applying your subjective beliefs that they don't share to their actions?

We judge others based on our moral standards, not theirs. To someone who sees the killing of an animal as a great sin, your actions might therefore seem wrong.

[–] Viking_Hippie -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Do you believe that racism or sexism is wrong?

You're acting EXACTLY like an anti choice person asking me if I think murder is wrong because I believe in a woman's right to choose 🤦

Do you think a racist or sexist person would share your belief?

Not necessarily and not necessarily not, since they're in no way related.

Are you not, then, applying your subjective beliefs that they don't share to their actions?

No. Their veganism is actively selected by them based on their subjective beliefs about animals being basically human.

My lack of veganism is not based in ideology.

I don't eat grains based on the belief that insects are worth less than other animals. I eat grains to be sated, for their nutritional value, and for their taste.

Exactly the same reason why I sometimes eat meat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No. Their veganism is actively selected by them based on their subjective beliefs about animals being basically human.

Or maybe a general opposition to violence, or a concern for the ecological impact of domestic animals, or a fear that it could cause the next pandemic.

My lack of veganism is not based in ideology.

This is a weak argument. Based on your abortion example, I'm guessing you are from the US or southern Europe. So, you might know of the Confederate States of America and/or Fascist Iberia / Italy. In those places, were there not people who did not consciously support slavery / fascism, but went along with it because they 'did not have an ideology'? How would you judge them?

Further, on your not having an ideology, do you support the eating of humans? Monkeys? Cats? Dogs? Which animals are haram to you, and which ones are halal?

[–] Viking_Hippie -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ok, that's it. You have officially crossed the line from a zealot spewing increasingly false equivalences to saying that everyone who doesn't agree with you is equivalent to slave owners and fascists.

I'm done indulging your self-righteous hallucinations. Have the day you deserve.

PS: No, I'm not from the US or southern Europe. I chose the abortion example because of complete topical symmetry, not because it's a hot topic here in Denmark. It hasn't been since the 1970s.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not vegan, although I agree with most of their arguments, so I can't be self-righteous about it.

saying that everyone who doesn't agree with you is equivalent to slave owners and fascists.

Since English is not your first language, I apologise if my wording was confusing. My point was that accepting whatever is seen as normal, or refusing to make a choice, is itself an action, one that says that you agree with your society's ideology.

[–] Viking_Hippie -2 points 4 months ago

I said have the day you deserve. I'm done with your Dunning Kruger poster boy nonsense.