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[–] givesomefucks 622 points 4 months ago (47 children)

The statement:

The Supreme Court has become consumed by a corruption crisis beyond its control.

Today’s ruling represents an assault on American democracy. It is up to Congress to defend our nation from this authoritarian capture.

I intend on filing articles of impeachment upon our return.

This is what leadership is, what voters want, and what wins elections.

Doesn't matter if it works, it's trying and highlighting that issues can be fixed. We might not succeed the first time, but we'll keep fucking trying till we do.

Put the votes on record and show voters where people stand.

[–] Coach 307 points 4 months ago (5 children)
[–] givesomefucks 215 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Imagine having a candidate that got more popular after speaking in public...

We literally haven't even passed that low of a bar in over a decade. I don't understand what's happened to people.

People as a whole are more politically aware than I've ever seen, but we're just wasting it.

[–] blackbelt352 61 points 4 months ago (3 children)

We have to undo decades of policy enacted the much longer politically aware and active owner class. They've had a head start on us, so it's going to take tome to dismantle the political machinery they've created while minimizing harm done to the rest of us.

[–] givesomefucks 46 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We actually don't.

A single progressive president means they get to name the DNC chair and a bunch of voting positions.

It's literally that easy to take over the party.

Obama just didn't do it because he didn't need the party after they turned on him for opposing Hillary.

If he'd have rebuilt it, we'd have a functional progressive party planning decades ahead already. And trump would still just be that guy from the Mac Miller song. The SC would be a progressive majority. The situation and Gaza wouldn't have turned into an open genocide, COVID would have been handled appropriately.

It's not some insurmountable task, but it gets harder and harder every cycle.

By all rights we should have had protests in the streets calling for Biden and the DNC leadership to step down for stealing NH's delagets. But not enough people had crossed their personal lines by then.

If we'd have had the fight then, we'd have had a full primary almost to figure shit out.

But we didn't.

Until we finally do, shit won't change.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We should have been in streets for Gore.

[–] givesomefucks 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We should have learned that confidence is the one thing you can't fake. A candidate can be confident for illogical reasons, but that's still more convincing than being right but not being confident. It creates this weird effect where once people get too smart, they become less decisive and people perceive that as less confident.

The stereotypical nerd.

Gore probably would have been a top 10 president. But he couldn't sell himself to voters just a little more. And if memory recalls, he technically didn't even have to concede. Like, if he had waited I believe the recounts were actively happening. He didn't even let it run down to the final vote.

But I think its important to note not a single Dem Senator challenged it either which would have been even better than Gore challenging it

Bernie would have most likely, but he wasn't in yet. Biden could have done it, but he didn't, same with most of the current Dem leadership.

So Gore should have planted his feet, and voters should have gotten behind, probably would have. But the party didn't have Gore's back either. And Gore wasn't confident enough to try it without the party.

It's crazy how shit comes so close and has such widespread consequences. Just one Dem senator back then dragging it out till a final count would have done it.

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[–] Psycoder 7 points 4 months ago

During the Hillary vs Bernie times, I was talking with a Bernie supporter in a bar. He told me that the establishment Dems/DNC would promote Hitler himself before they promote an anti-establishment candidate.

Back then I thought he was a case of mentally sick person making it to the bar and having too much drink. As time passes I agree with him more and more.

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[–] Psycoder 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

During the Hillary vs Bernie times, I was talking with a Bernie supporter in a bar. He told me that the establishment Dems/DNC would promote Hitler himself before they promote an anti-establishment candidate.

Back then I thought he was a case of mentally sick person making it to the bar and having too much drink. As time passes I agree with him more and more.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We have a party entirely dedicated to the ownership class with literally 0 internal conflict, and we have a party almost entirely dedicated to the ownership class with some internal conflict (the squad.)

What we don't have is a party that gives one solitary fuck about the labor class and actively fights those that get too close to real power. The squad is a useful token to point to and say "see we aren't all corpo fascists! We allowed them to exist!" (Because there's only like 5 of them so they have no power whatsoever)

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[–] foggy 78 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I want AOC with vice president Bernie.

That man may be in his final years of politics, and perhaps too old to be at the helm, but dammit, he deserves it.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago

I saw him speak the other day and he was totally with it. Like that super old person who lives to be 120 and is sharp as fuck right until their body gives up, but until then they are firy and physically fit.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 months ago (18 children)

Literally has had one minor mis-step with the railroad union strike, telling them to go back to work, and they still got the deal they wanted in the end. She hasn't just earned my vote for POTUS should she choose to run, but she's got my full support. Heck, I might start throwing campaign contributions her way if she makes a POTUS try.

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[–] Eldritch 22 points 4 months ago

If we're having elections in 28 and she isn't a candidate. Something is wrong.

[–] TokenBoomer 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

AOC will not survive after Trump wins.

"Haven't you heard it's a battle of words?"
The poster bearer cried
"Listen, son," said the man with the gun
"There's room for you inside"

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[–] jordanlund 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That's the thing though, with the Republicans in charge there will NEVER be a vote on this. They won't allow it.

[–] givesomefucks 37 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yeah. But it's provocative, it gets the people going.

That translates to more voters and more small donors.

Two things that are kind of important 4 months before a general election.

[–] assassin_aragorn 5 points 4 months ago

People will call this sort of thing performative since the legislation will be dead in the water, but you're spot on. An important part of politics is virtue signaling. You're telling your supporters what you stand for and that you're at least trying.

Whether it's progressive or moderates doing so, it's an important political tool, and sometimes the only tool at their disposal. Showing people you're willing to fight, even if you know you're going to lose, is a big deal.

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[–] FenrirIII 9 points 4 months ago

The minority party has seized control by eroding the foundation of democracy. The sad part is that most people don't even realize how fucked we are.

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