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Tainted cinnamon applesauce pouches that have sickened scores of children in the U.S. may have been purposefully contaminated with lead, according to FDA’s Deputy Commissioner for Human Foods Jim Jones.

“We’re still in the midst of our investigation. But so far all of the signals we’re getting lead to an intentional act on the part of someone in the supply chain and we’re trying to sort of figure that out,” Jones said in an exclusive interview. The pouches found to be contaminated were sold under three brands — Weis, WanaBana and Schnucks — that are all linked to a manufacturing facility in Ecuador. The FDA says it’s conducting an inspection of that facility.

“My instinct is they didn’t think this product was going to end up in a country with a robust regulatory process,” Jones said. “They thought it was going to end up in places that did not have the ability to detect something like this.”

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[–] acceptable_pumpkin 209 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is where those US based companies should get absolutely reamed. Want to profit off cheap labor and raw materials from developing countries with “lax” controls? Then you should face all consequences and lost profits. No “blaming” some other supplier.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (5 children)

China executed mfers when companies sold tainted baby milk powder.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm not a huge fan of China, but I'll admit they're doing at least one thing right.

[–] RestrictedAccount 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lead is sweet. That’s why kids eat paint chips.

Someone saved money on sugar and biocide.

The reason why I tacked this on after your comment is that you are on to something.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Sugar is way too cheap to use lead these days. 100 years ago this would have been plausible to me, but not today.

Lead is used as a plastic softener, and these packages were likely not rated for food usage and whoever bought them online hadn't checked for FDA approval for food safety before purchasing. It could have been something as simple as someone accidentally using the wrong materials in the factory too.

[–] FlyingSquid 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I thought the lead was in the cinnamon used?

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about jailing responsible execs? Money wrist slaps notoriously don't do shit

[–] chitak166 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Keep increasing the penalty until it actually has an effect.

Even if it never changes their behavior, all the free money can be used for other things until they go out of business.

There should be a tiered system, too. First offenders just have to pay a certain amount to cover all expenses and then some. Subsequent offenders should have to pay more, probably double at the minimum.

Just like how insurers increase rates when we use their services, taxpayers should increase rates for businesses that use their services.

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[–] Ryan213 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Miniscule fine incoming...

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[–] gastationsushi 58 points 1 year ago (14 children)

When you read these stories just remember the leaders who profit off these products are shielded from their cost saving decisions. Late stage capitalism y'all.

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[–] RickRussell_CA 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we’re trying to sort of figure that out

Well that inspires confidence.

[–] drislands 24 points 1 year ago

I think it's just a literal quote of how he spoke, and not an attempt at waffling around an answer. The guy seems to have a goal in mind in the article.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“My instinct is they didn’t think this product was going to end up in a country with a robust regulatory process,”

Is this guy serious? It wasn't detected before kids got sick, they still don't know what happened and he's talking about 'robust regulatory process'? Here in EU I always check where products come from (not to buy something from Catalonia by accident) and all the food is made in EU. It's because there are strict regulations on food safety, workplace safety, monitoring and so on. Countries that do now meet those requirements have tariffs put on their food and there's extra requirements and check on imports (ask the UK). That's why I keep hearing about cases here where they recall some food before anyone gets sick. But yeah, bringing food from Ecuador, waiting for kids to get sick and then trying to figure out what happened is 'robust regulatory process'. Amazing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (31 children)

Why do you avoid buying from catalonia?

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[–] NOT_RICK 31 points 1 year ago

What the fuck

[–] lemmylommy 27 points 1 year ago (26 children)

Why does child food need to be produced thousands of miles away?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] foggy 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah, right. How much are the CEOs making as compared to their lowest paid workers?

I know you're not trying to justify it. Just some horse balls is all.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just some horse balls is all.

Those went into the peach cobbler.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I read the article. Is this because lead has a sweet, appealing flavor? I remember reading this was a huge problem at certain times and places.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That would be similar to that fucked up thing that happened in China where some corrupt companies were putting a plastic resin in milk to cheat protein level tests.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ancient Romans used it to sweeten wine. Also why kids used to be fond of eating lead paint chips. Slightly sweet.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

So this was driving me nuts, so I had to look it up. I thought I dreamed it.

Apparently, this continued for centuries, and may have contributed to Beethoven's illness and death.

I think I actually read about it in a thread here on Lemmy.

[–] Evia 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, this wasn't someone with a grudge against children poisoning their food, this was an willfully negligent decision made by the producers to make the product more profitable

[–] cmbabul 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We used to put fucking formaldehyde in milk for infants

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It keeps the babies fresh.

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[–] _lilith 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

All these say no sugar added. Lead tastes sweet. So I guess that counts as an alternative sweetener?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

hol up. gonna try this out

[–] butterflyattack 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TBF the Romans used to use lead as a sweetener all the time. While it can't have done them much good it can't have been immediately fatal or they'd have stopped. If it was intended as a sweetener in this case someone must have seriously fucked up the dosage. And I'd have thought they'd go for cheaper and easier ways to make the product taste sweeter, like aspartame or saccharine.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

or lie and just fucking put sugar in it.

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[–] nifty 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The source of contamination is possibly a production facility in Ecuador, possibly due to using a cheaper cinnamon alternative. I thought I should post this because comments are wrongly asserting (I think) that a person in a U.S. production supply chain did this. It seems less malicious and more cost-savings oriented, which is why regulations and policies help save people from bottomline focused tendencies.

The FDA continues to investigate a number of theories for how the pouches became contaminated, and has not drawn any conclusions about the way the lead was added, why or by whom. The FDA says it currently believes the adulteration is “economically motivated.” That generally refers to ingredients being altered in order to make products appear higher in value, often so companies can produce a cheaper item and sell it at an elevated price.

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[–] Yoz 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Humans are really fucked. No wonder all these billionaires don't want to help anyone but themselves.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

This is sad indeed and this person is a wretch, but most of humanity is perfectly fine. There are some awful people and they make the news and are talked about cus we love gossip.

But have faith in humanity. Most of it is just like you and wants things to be good and tons of them go out there and do good, we just rarely talk about them or encourage others to do good for their community.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Robust regulatory processes" my fucking ass dude. Food recalls happen ALL THE TIME in the US (AFTER all the kids get sick and die, mind you) and this fucking clown wants to talk about how great our FDA is? What a joke! And youll think well, maybe its just the cheaper brands and you would be wrong. Name brands and off brands all get contaminated I swear I see it at least once a month. Just google food recalls in the past year. Not only that, a lot of the literal poison they put in our food is illegal everywhere else. UK just seized thousands of pounds of candy from us because of "illegal ingredients" What fucking deception to say that our FDA is even remotely competent. If I didnt live here, I would NEVER eat the food from here

[–] surewhynotlem 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Isn't the high amount of recalls the evidence of the processes working?

This feels like saying "our border is insecure! Look at all the drugs we confiscated!"

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Well, if anybody is an expert on poisoned kid's drinks it's Jim Jones.

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