Because they cost an arm and a dick. I can't afford a $40k car even if it's cheaper per km to operate.
this post was submitted on 12 Dec 2023
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Fuck me, I can't even afford 10k. Regardless of cost per km
Make some dashboards that aren't a touchscreen cluster fuck
Fucken' this! Why does every new car have to have a media tablet on it, EV or not? Give me a cheap screen as the backup camera and don't make me put my fingers on it while driving, and give me potentiometer controls for everything else!
Give me an EV car that makes me feel just a little better than being out in the cold for cheap and I'm sold.
If they made a little EV pickup with a 2 seater cab, 6ft bed, basic backup camera and a 200 mile range for 20k, I'd buy one tomorrow.
This, an electric Ranger is 10x more useful than a crew cab Ram with a 4 foot box, super nova headlights and a 12L V8 un-tuned diesel.
There used to be an Electric Ranger, but the snag was that the range was so low that it was only sold for institutional / commercial campus use -- I think it had a 60 mile range, and took overnight to charge.
Oh man, that's what I want! My commute is 30 miles round trip and it's shift work so there is at least 10hrs of charging time between commutes.
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There was a rumor GM is making the LUV truck but electric. I'm not a bowtie person anymore but I would have a downpayment on one in a heartbeat.
There are inexpensive EVs...BYD makes some decent low cost EVs. They're already in use as taxis in Montreal and IKEA delivery in Vancouver. The consumer versions are apparently coming in Canada... Just not yet. They are avail in Australia already and in Europe too.
FYI, the full-electric IKEA delivery trucks are in Montreal as well.
Ah cool. I haven't spent much time in Montreal... I stay west coast. I was just aware of the BYD taxis. Poked about online. Seems the BYD trucks are in Ottawa too.
It's because it's the easiest way for car manufacturers to harvest and sell your data to third parties.
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They. Are. Too. Expensive.
I will never own a gas car again because gas cars are simply inferior technology. I've put 170,000km on my EV over the last 5 years, and they've been more convenient and less expensive kms than even the cheapest gas cars I've owned. The only maintenance has been rotating the tires and the cabinet air filter.
When I wake up in the morning, the car has more mileage charged in it than I'll use in the day, which includes my 100km+ round trip commute. When I drive it, the instant torque blows by most other vehicles on the road. I live in a rural area, it snows, it freezes, it doesn't get plowed right away, the car doesnt care. It always starts. I make half a dozen 1000km round trips a year in it, doesn't matter the weather, sunny or cold. I take 2 kids, my wife and all our gear in it. Did I mention they do sports, we have equipment and bikes and all that stuff.
The darn thing does everything the skeptics say it won't do and it's a shame all the misinformation I see, almost daily, about EVs.
What vehicle and can I afford it?
Totally. The inconvenience ( and inconvenient timing ) of having to fuel up is intolerable after being exposed to electric.
My wife drives an EV and I drive a gas guzzler. So jealous. It is going to change the second I can afford it.
170k in 5 years. Fuck me. I'd take me 15 years to drive that much for my car and 9-10 years for my truck.
I believe driving any vehicle less is better than buying an EV and putting enough miles on it to offset the CO2 from making the battery.
You're right. But it is a factor of how much you drive. If you're really down to ~10km/yr then you're not the problem. Most of America, however, drives about 30km/yr. That kind of mileage adds up quickly with poor inefficient gigantobeast 4x4 dickreplacer500 trucks that are primarily used for grocery getters and work commuters. So EVs have their place - especially in that world.
I don't get why people shit on trucks like you're doing because they're not as bad as everyone thinks. Sure, those roll coal like fucking morons are an issue but they're not the majority of trucks. Most are like mine, stock and as fuel efficient as can be from the factory. Sportscars are far worse but no one and I mean no one bitches about them cause they're cool I guess.
My buddy got into a wreck with his F150 and got an Infinity G35 or something as replacement. Went from a large truck with a V8 to a smaller car with a V6 and the Ford 150 was better on fuel and didn't require premium so we were both shocked.
It's the combination of driving a lot plus having a less efficient vehicle that's the issue but we're only focusing on half the issue, the driving part.
It'd rather see people drive less and take public transit more than drive EV's.
One guy I talked to drives 3 hours a day and bitches at the government not doing anything.. meanwhile, what has HE done to improve anything? The answer was nothing.
What year F-150 was it?
The G37 debut 15 years ago, and if you really meant the G35, it's an even older engine design. The F-150 is also one of the best selling vehicles on the road and its design keeps up with modern standards much more than a sporty Nissan.
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What do you have?
Probably because fuel is coming back down and they are expensive AF to buy upfront.
Initial cost and lack of charging infrastructure are the two biggest drawbacks for me. The lease on my current car ends in a year, and I'm looking for a viable EV. But most EVs that are bigger than a breadbox and have a 250+ mi. range start around $7-10k beyond my budget.
You should go back and look at how much you've put into maintaining that leased car, and make sure to factor in cost of gas versus electricity. Could be $7-$10k over 5 years. Also be real, how often are you driving more than 250 miles in a single trip?
Maintenance has been negligible - $250 a year for oil changes & a couple hundred for replacing damaged tires. I might check into my state's tax credits to see if that would make up the difference in cost.
The range problem is that I can't charge at home. I could probably go as low as 140 miles if I'm willing to visit a charging station every weekend. But, the one to three times a year when I do drive somewhere for vacation or to visit family, I'd either have to plan very carefully or rent a car.
Ah yeah, no home charging is basically a deal breaker for EVs because that's eliminating one of the largest benefits (always having a full tank). Unless your workplace has charging I think you're better off with a used ICE.
Also that little maintenance sounds to me like you might be breaking the terms of your lease agreement, they usually stipulate that you have to follow the recommended schedule.
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Yeah well I don't want a big ass SUV that costs a whole arm.
I want a reasonably priced Honda E. A Fiat electric. A VW e-Golf.
But most of all, I want better public transportation.
I had a Fiat 124 Spider a couple years ago that I absolutely loved. Bring that mother fucker back as electric and I'm buying day one.
The first 124s are so good looking.
I mean, I do want a somewhat decent sized EV but not one that costs an arm. I mostly want a couple hundred kms of range without it costing an arm. I go on 200-300km trips almost on a weekly basis in the summer.
Also I'm still not sure how they think people will charge their vehicles if they live in apartments and townhomes or basement suites where they park on the street overnight.
Where I live there are many public charging stations. But probably not enough to match the demand if everybody switched to electric cars overnight.
There are new types of solid state batteries coming soon that will allow super fast charging within a few minutes and extended range beyond what current batteries can do. Let's hope it arrives soon.
The faster the charger, the more powerful of a charging station you need, and the more expensive they are. No matter how fast your car is capable of charging, it'll be limited by the charging station so the speed itself won't change.
On the other hand, solid state batteries are supposed to have quite the increase in charge density so there's the hope that they can be a lot cheaper since you don't need as big of a battery.
On the other other hand, isn't the car market slowing down as a whole? Sales seems to have slowed dramatically these last few years as people are relying on other ways to get around more and more, so rather than replacing cars with EVs, it's more like cars are just plain disappearing, even it's only at the rate of partial replacement levels.
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People are running out of money generally, EV's or whatever.
I'm waiting for my ICE car to die. And I'm waiting for those new batteries that handle the cold better.
Preferably a non-tesla. Tesla would have a NAZI in the mouth
The Tesla brand has become distasteful due to the owner's antics, and no other carmaker builds an EV that's capable of long range travel due to a lack of quick charge capability and infrastructure.
edit: "the owners" meaning the person who owns the company, ie Elon, not the people who bought the cars. Apostrophe added for clarity.
Well, that, and Musk's been torpedoing his own reputation by opening that mouth of his more and more these last few years. Tesla owners always though he was one of them, but he's been proving them wrong more and more every time he opens that mouth of his, so it's no surprise that people who are pro-EVs are seriously thinking about ditching Teslas.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
You could rewrite this as "Canadians crunched by inflation, corporate profiteering, are unwilling to spend money on top-trim, high-margin electric vehicles that manufacturers want to them buy instead of cheaper cars that they can afford".
It is true, though:
- More people rent, and so can't charge at home
- Interest rates have made monthly car payments out of range
- People are squeezed everywhere else
- Automakers (and frankly, the rest of the supply side) got addicted to debt-fueled spending and are absolutely unwilling to go back to an era of lowered expectations. I mean, we all have to do with less, but we can't expect our Captains of Industry to share the pain.
It wouldn't surprise me if the biggest factor was just interest rates.
EVs still do tend to cost more than ICE vehicles, and the used market is still pretty new for EVs.
Autotrader is mostly a used car marketplace. So it doesn't really surprise me that after a year where used cars cost more than news ones, and new cars were flipped for immediat profit.
Now that is starting to settle down and people who still can afford a new car just gets it right from a dealership.
Availability is some of the issue as well. I was able to snag an Ioniq 5 in May because another guy's credit was rejected and I had called at the right time to add myself to the list for the new trim level.
I've been on the list at every dealer in SK for over a year and I've been called only twice, with both vehicles being the matte black. I don't know why they even send matte painted cars here, they're dirty the moment they're exposed to air.
Meanwhile, there are many Ioniq 5s collecting dust in dealer lots in the US.
I'll buy an EV when I can get one with all the tech that's in the car already working without a monthly subscription cost.
Maybe people don't want to drive a vehicle that spies on them? All EVs are privacy invading.
Get out of your bubble a bit and you'll realize that basically no one in the real world cares about that
basically no one in the real world cares about that
I'm going to assume that ignorance is your idea of βnot caringβ. I think people would care if they knew the truth.
Put it this way, if you offered informed people an EV that spies on them or an EV that doesn't, would anyone pick the one that spies on them?
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People don't care about it until they get bitten. Then they act all outraged and make outrageous demands for compensation.
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Sales doesn't equal interest.
I'm very interested. But, our country isn't interested in making life affordable.
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