They've managed to make also this asshole right..
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Yeah... I'll scratch "find myself agreeing with goddamn Erdogan" from my The World Is Fucked bingo card
I'll admit, there have been multiple times recently I've started to wonder if he's somehow a pod person. And he's....certainly one to speak, as a national representative.
But as much as it irks me, I'd rather admit to common ground than find myself sacrificing my own morals on the basis that I don't like who said it.
Well sure, but also keep in mind that Erdogan loses his shit anytime someone even alludes to the fact that the Armenian Genocide was a real thing that actually happened.
This is not Erdogan being a good dude. This is Erdogan latching on to a thing because it’s politically useful for him to do so. Stopped clocks etc etc.
Fair hit, you don't get to be the one to say it Smeagol
My first thought as well. Like, Armenian genocide says what?
When satan looks at what you are doing and it is so bad even he has to denounce it…
The West can jerk itself off at the thought of being “civilized” as much as it wants, but it never was “civilized”. Imperialism has always been barbaric and we’re seeing another example of it in Palestine.
He’s right.
I fucking hate agreeing with this piece of shit.
Well he's been committing war crimes against the Kurds for a long time now
who knew that a walking, talking arrow with "THIS IS ISLAMOPHOBIA" written on it would actually be correct sometimes
Can you briefly outline why? Just trying to figure out what he's done recently that you disagree with so passionately, compared to what Biden is going today, for example.
I still consider this recent enough to count: Beating the absolute shit out of protestors outside of the embassy
The authoritarianism, nationalism, violence against the Kurds, corruption, and silencing of journalists isn't enough, or is not recent enough?
Also, why does everything have to be juxtaposed to Biden? Any reasonable person should be able to muster enough contempt in their heart to hate both.
The reaction of countries like Germany on this has lead me to conclude that the lesson learned from the Holocaust was not that violent cold-hearted racism is unnacceptable but rather that violent cold-hearted racism against a specific group which was targettted by the Nazis is unnacceptable, but it's fine if it's against other groups.
In other words: Genocide is still fine and the "Never again!" was only ever about who is included the "us" when the more violent, rabid, German-style Fascists go full genocidal, not about stopping such people or at the very least doing so when they go full genocidal.
Huh that's the interesting observation. I feel like it could be a more general human nature? On Reddit and Lemmy, I constantly see people who are not racist against black people be racist against Asians. Almost like they didn't learn that racism is bad, but that racism against black people is bad. Almost like they need to be taught separately for every group...
TL;DR - they're still racist and prejuding individuals based on being in a "group" defined by some non-behavioural characteristic said individuals were born with, it's just that progressive racism now classifies as "good" or "victims" some groups that traditional racists used to deemed "bad" such as Black people or Jewish people.
They're still being prejudiced, and did nothing more than adjusting the presumptions attached to some race-defined groups.
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Modern Liberalism in the moral sphere is not anchored on Principle but instead it's a different labelling of "good" and "bad" on top of the of putting people in groups, same as the Fascists just with different "good" and "bad" groups.
People are still being classified into "groups" by how they look, their gender, their sexual orientation, their religion and were they come from, and then assumptions about individual behaviour are being done based on those "classifications", all of which is how racists think complete with prejudiced expectations that individuals are "good" or "bad" depending on the "classification" they've are deemed to be in based on things they were born with: the classifying and presuming never stopped, it's just that some groups previously presumed "bad" are now presumed "good".
Or to put things another way - it's a rebranding of racism with adjusted "good" and "bad" classifications, not a change to a following of the principle that people should be judged by what they do, not based on non-behavioural characteristics they were born with and presuming that massive groups of individuals are all the same because of sharing one such characteristic.
Hence how you end up with things like it being deemed anti-semitism to criticise the racist genocidal actions of a government because they happen to fall into a classification now deemed "good" even though their actual actions are pretty much hard-core German-style Fascism, the very opposite of good.
By the way, this is not just a phenomenon in Germany, but I expected a lot more from the majority of Germans (or at least from the power elites in that country) and instead it now seems even the country that did the Holocaust kept the racism and just did a rebranding.
PS: This is also how you end up with funny things like for example, journalists who think of themselves as impeccably progressive writting opinion articles critical of "men who use sex dolls" (I kid you not) without noticing the clear parallels with articles written in the past by other people which were critical of homosexual acts - people whose thinking is anchored on principles see both kinds of articles as "criticising adults for sexual practices that harm nobody" hence an equally unacceptable criticism, but those who are prejudiced whilst using a modern list of "good" groups, think the homophobic articles are bad (because it's not fashionable to be homophobic) but critizing other sexual practices not commonly deemed acceptable is just fine.
Does anyone really care what this windbag says
This is the best summary I could come up with:
ISTANBUL (AP) — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan used a speech on human rights Saturday to accuse the West of “barbarism” for its stance on the Israel-Hamas war and what he alleged was its toleration of Islamophobia.
In the face of such brutality, international institutions and human rights organizations are not taking any concrete steps to prevent such violations,” the Turkish leader said.
Referring to Friday’s U.S. veto of a United Nations resolution calling for a humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza, Erdogan said a fairer world was possible “but not with America because the USA stands with Israel.
Turkey withdrew from the Istanbul Convention on preventing and violence against women and has failed to implement European Court of Human Rights judgments.
On Saturday, the president defined Islamophobia and xenophobia, which he said “engulf Western societies like poison ivy,” as the greatest threats to human rights.
In October, Erdogan told a massive protest crowd in Istanbul that his government was preparing to declare Israel a “war criminal” due to its actions in the Gaza Strip.
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I suppose fighting against Hamas is also very islamophobic, right? At least for our pal Erdogan here.
Let's not forget that this little dictator praised the Hamas as freedom fighters a few weeks ago and declared them not to be terrorists.
And with his anti-Israeli rhetoric, Erdogan primarily serves his own conservative Islamic electorate...nothing more.
The vast overwhelming majority of people being murdered in Gaza are not Hamas and have nothing to do with them. What's going on in Gaza is the extermination of an ethnic group from land that they historically inhabited alongside another ethnic group that despite experiencing a most horrific extermination of a similar type is unable to reign in its own genocidal government.
Erdogon is truly a garbage human being and an opportunist, a monstrous piece of shit and a terrible statesman, but he has the moral high ground compared to somebody like Benjamin Netanyahu who is basically the moral equivalent of a Nazi.
I’ll give Erdy credit for being a broken clock, that’s about it. If he actually cared about self determination he wouldn’t treat Kurds like shit. He gets real mad when you call the PKK freedom fighters but is perfectly happy saying as much about Hamas