15 countries voting, they lost 13-1 (UK abstained), literally only the US voted against the resolution and yet they can veto it.
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It is clearly US and UK vs Gaza children.
"Oh hamas did this and that so lets kill them all, stop water food and aid and move 2 million around" is not justified ...
It is clearly US and UK
The UK abstained, that is explicitly not supporting the US. It's not objecting either, but it's not supporting.
What I find interesting is that the PM Rishi Sunak talks in full support of Israel in national politics, yet on the international stage the stance is now slightly more neutral.
It is a scam happened before, countries abstain because they know the US would veto. If UK didn't abstain I think the resolution would pass. That's why they did it, help to not let the resolution pass and it doesn't look bad as veto.
How is it a scam?
Its a desperate attempt not to piss off even more voters. While still supporting party funders ideals.
Does a "no" vote by the US automatically veto it? Or did they have to take an additional action? If the vote alone didn't veto it, that's the perfect place to hedge your bets. Vote no, then don't veto it. You can claim both sides then to appease everyone.
No by the US (or China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom) means veto.
Well that's dumb. But rules are rules.
aww shucks we have to allow genocide its the rules
It was more meant that they couldn't vote no then not veto. That being the case they should have at least abstained like the UK.
It's to prevent nuclear war. If everyone voted to invade or harshly punish a powerful country they could respond.
That is the explanation I was given, but these days I think that’s more of a rationalization than an explanation. Closer to the truth, I think, is that those are the countries that came out of WWII the victors, and so they wrote the rules.
Much like the US Constitution, the structure of the UN is built for a world that no longer exists.
oh so the only ones who ever used nukes now get to say what everyone should do with theirs?
Where are the vote results
Valid question, I got it from another article: https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-politics/ap-un-chief-and-many-nations-demand-immediate-humanitarian-cease-fire-in-gaza-but-us-remains-opposed/
US refuses to block Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
US actively supports Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
I don't expect Joe Biden to act against his interests, but I also can't believe he thinks this is in his interest! Are there that many people in America who think this is the right thing to do? People danced when Henry Kissinger died, who fails to see the legacy of this?
Middle America. Specifically people in purple states. Biden is coming into an election that’s sounding like it’s going to be won by 5 votes or lost by a million. He’s trying to win support in swing states. Unfortunately those swing state voters tend to be union guys, who are more conservative. They like a blue collar guy, but they want him to have hardline stances on things. We’re hearing conflicting things from this administration for a reason. A veto on the UN makes headlines and sounds like the US is being supportive, but we’re also hearing about back room conversations where the administration is voicing their disapproval of the bombing and threatening to withhold funding. I imagine if this was before the war in Ukraine we would see a different reaction by the Biden Administration. Plus Israel gives us a launch point into middle eastern operations.
That makes little sense. Why would blue collar workers support Israel’s genocidal bombardment campaign? It’s not in their interest. The UAW is even calling for a ceasefire.
Also, the Biden administration can claim all day that they are in back room negotiations with Israel. However, those claims ring hollow when they’re simultaneously trying to pass bills in congress that unconditionally give Israel military aid. People see that and naturally lose faith in anything the administration says.
That makes little sense. Why would blue collar workers support Israel’s genocidal bombardment campaign?
Sadly because of the higher incidence of nationalism, racism, and Islamophobia among such folk which means they don't care enough or are outright in favor of turning brown people into skeletons
Have you ever talked with some of them? My whole damn family is full of this exact type of person. Do you not remember how many of those people were willing to bomb multiple countries for 20+ years just to hunt down Osama Bin Laden?
The Biden admin is joining Israeli aid with Ukrainian aid. They’re trying to get some on the right to pass aid for Israel so we can fund Ukraine.
Many blue collar, support who tells them what they want to hear. God (Jesus) is great, white people are best, and libs bad... Even though it's against their interests, that's conservative/Trump.
Not only that but Israel still provides a lot of spy tech. Local US law enforcement have been using Israeli tools to get into peoples' phone records, or even the phones themselves.
He's banking on "trump bad, I good". So many idiots are falling for this and will chase you out of the room with their pitchforks if you said you won't vote for genocide Biden.
Sitting out in the next presidential election is a vote for "I'll be a dictator" Trump. That's just the way it is.
I've heard this same sentence literally every single elections.
Is it not true? Is this another shit sandwich vs giant douchebag argument?
It is true, but I believe it's manufactured. It's done on purpose. I'm personally not falling for it again. I'm done with voting for the "lesser of two evils".
Don't be naive. What's happening now is the result of a pattern in human behavior which has played out countless times before. It may be cathartic to throw your arms up and say "nothing matters and everything is a lie, burn it all" but that's not productive and it will allow the greater of many evils to win.
Oh, I think he can bank on that. What I see is people looking to third parties. I just don't think anything good will come of that.
Personally, I can't honestly threaten to vote against him, but I do understand other people feeling differently, and I definitely wish he'd make it less gross for me.
These are times when I'm ashamed to be an American.
I'm 70 years old. Of course it's not the first time. Cute meme though.
Nowadays I wonder if you guys have any times you aren't.
We always seem to be pro genocide
Trump years aside, I've rarely been so ashamed of my country. And I'm no spring chicken.
UN is the change.org of the real world. The idea is great but it only works on extremely rare cases. I know its purpose is to stop next world war but it should stop trying to seem like a platform for discussion as there is no discussion to be had when you give someone power to veto any resolution.
No one should have veto power, it makes any organization extremely undemocratic. And given the American arsenal, it's already difficult to be democratic.
The UN with their permanent members are a disgrace. All they do is uphold imperialism and say please don't do that.