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has an EPA range of 149 miles
We have those already, they don't sell well.
starts at $32,500
Jesus, we are talking just shy of Model 3 prices here. Yeah, this thing isn't going to sell.
built in Italy
It doesn't even qualify for full subsidies. This thing is practically DOA.
$32,500 is cheap to whom exactly??
I knew it wouldn't really be cheap. The US car market is fucking rigged bro.
Srs. Clickbait.
Cheap relative to the US EV market. Not cheap on an absolute scale, but it's trending in the right direction at least.
Too bad maintenance costs on an Italian car are probably going to cancel some of that out.
This car is made by the same company that makes the Dodge Charger and Jeep Compass. I don't think there is anything Italian about it.
I think what you mean to say is there is nothing American about the Dodge Charger or Jeep Compass.
Stellantis is designing and engineering those cars now. Well, the charger maybe not.. That's on a platform from 2004. The compass is on an FCA platform shared by the Tonale, Hornet, and Rampage
Most car brands are just that.
Eg. Magna Steyr currently manufactures plenty of cars which are then sold under the BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, or Fisker brand. Previously they've made cars for Chrysler, Jeep, Saab, VW, and others. Not just manufactured either, IRC they've designed entire cars or many of the component parts.
Similar thing for plenty of large companies. They don't actually make things anymore. They just brand and market them. Maybe they design them, but that's often not the case either.
A Chevy Bolt is ~27k and has a 260 mi EPA range. I don't see why people would get this one.
Because they discontinued the Bolt.
I'm not optimisitc that they'll keep the price low. Guess it could happen...
Yeah, the main reason the Bolt is as cheap as it is now is because of its way outdated charge speed. No way they keep that in the next version, and I'm sure they'll bump the price up $5-10K while they're at it.
It still charges at 50kW which is around 200mph, so it's not bad at all for occasional longer road trips.
Home charging is always great at 11.4kW which gets from empty to full in under 5 hours.
Superb value for the cost.
No argument there. I like the Bolt as is it is. But that doesn't mean they're going to leave well enough alone when they could get more marketing points AND more profits at the same time.
It can charge at up to 55kW, but that's under perfect conditions (largely weather-related) with a very low battery. As that battery charges, it will definitely go down. Also, DCFC is generally used on road trips, which means freeway driving, which means 4 miles per kWH is unlikely.
If I were to drive about 500 miles away (Denver to Lincoln, NE) right now, starting with a full battery and ending at 10%, I'd need to stop 4 times for a total of 3 hours of charging according to A Better Route Planner.
That said, for stuff around town and even trips to Colorado Springs and beyond it's an amazing car. You don't even need to use its full 48A level 2 speeds for it to be awesome, I got by on 1/3 that (16A at 240V) and could still get about 100 miles worth of charge overnight. I'd love to take it on a trip to visit family in Minnesota in summer time too.
I want the Honda E.
Same dude. That dashboard is so cool. I love everything about the Honda E.
Even the limited range?
And the 37,000 pounds price point?
Yes. I don't go anywhere that far away.
No idea if it's actually a good car, but it looks just the right amount of futuristic.
There's one I see often driving around in my area and I really enjoy seeing it every time!
I do too, but it's still too expensive at €36,000.
The range is abysmal. Especially for the price.
This is entirely its reputation in Europe too; probably why they're trying to shift them elsewhere
There are far better value options here than the 500
They do come in nice colours though
Range anxiety is a major reason why EVs are so heavy and expensive. But 149 miles (240 km) is more than enough for many people's daily commute, especially if they're able to charge every day.
EVs with this range should exist. They should just be cheaper. There's just not enough competition at the low end right now.
Eh, for a commuter car in the city, the range is fine... just not for the price. When you can get a bigger car with longer range for cheaper, I think I know my choice. And if it were luxurious, that would be a different matter; but this isn't.
No. No it’s not. I had the previous 500e. After you turn the air conditioner on, you lose range. After you add a passenger, you lose range. It barely got through a day’s driving. It’s a half-hearted effort and it will flop.
Yeah I want a 600
Awful
well, you know what FIAT stands for right?
Found On Road Dead?
Mostly Old Parts And Rust?
Honest Officer, Nobody Did Anything.
Had one, never did again?
I always heard Fix Or Repair Daily
Fix it again Tony.
Fix It All the Time
Unlikely if they're under the age of 30 or don't need to get up in the middle of the night to pee.
Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino. No Google.
Yeah, I haven't been in either of those groups for a while
Nope.