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Oh I think I know this guy from reddit
this post was submitted on 04 Dec 2023
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That guy is reddit
Hate to break it to everyone but many of those people found their way here too. Which is why this post is sitting at 74% upvotes as of my writing… They don’t appreciate being called out.
Waiting for one of them to chime in with why the person depicted in the meme is good actually
Something something marketplace of ideas
It's the guy above in this thread saying "Strawman arguments are so boring & ineffectual."
Yes, I saw that one.
I've also seen that user in other posts, behaving just as you'd expect lol
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Hey now, as an upper-middle class politically “center” white heterosexual cis male with “I don’t have to shave daily” five o’clock shadow, I’m offended 🥸
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You think that guy isn’t also on Lemmy?
Never said he's not
If you look, you might see him in this very thread
Homer shriek
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Serious response, but that's almost certainly some random guy who got paid like 100 bucks by a stock image company. I always feel bad when a real person's likeness gets applied to horrible ideological positions they probably don't personally endorse just because they look like a stereotypical chud.
Yeah true. I was focused more on the concept than the guy, but I can see what you're saying. The literal guy in the photo might be a really great person for all we know.
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I believe self reflection is a requirement for personal growth. I think its important to accept outside criticism to better one's self as well.
I've read this text now probably 10 times, and trying to see if this applies to me. I can't tell if I'm misinterpreting the message here or if I'm interpreting it right and what I do sometimes thinking is helpful actually isn't. Is this reading comprehension failure on my part or a poorly encoded communication? I'm interested in your feedback positive or negative.
Many other people's struggles are theoretical to me in the sense that I don't experience them personally, but can certainly listen to those experiencing them and the negative effects on their lives, and many times how their challenges also mean all the rest of us not experiencing that problem also are less because of it.
Is the text in the image advocating that "because I don't experience these firsthand, I should hold my tongue when I see/hear someone advocating for things that would cause these struggles to increase"? As an example: I have no problem casting a ballot in an election. I can get time off from work. My polling place is always safe and well staffed. There are early voting days for at least a week prior to election day including access in evening hours and weekends. I have easy transportation to and from it. No one is targeting me demographically to try to remove me from voter rolls. However, I understand in many places in the country my fellow citizens trying to vote don't have this same situation and have challenges just being able to cast a ballot.
Is the above text telling me that I shouldn't speak out against those trying to increase the difficulty of voting on behalf of those that are facing the challenges to vote just because I don't experience it? I'm certainly not trying to take up all the oxygen, but am I doing that unintentionally? Is this text telling me to be quiet if I'm not personally affected by the particular challenge being discussed? I don't think so, but whats the nuance I'm missing?
The meme is more targeting so-called "devil's advocates" and people who argue from a position of extreme privilege. An example I can think of is people hand-waving away the existence of concentration camps and Democrats' role in colonialist border policy, which is easy for someone to say who's not imprisoned in those camps.
Or implying we need to compromise on LGBT+ equality, etc.
Does that sound like what you're doing? I'm not seeing that sort of thing in your description.
It's ok to be a vocal ally or supporter of a cause, but "devil's advocates" usually don't have anything worthwhile to contribute.
I do love doing devil’s advocate where it helps me and my friends understand our position when faced with these questions. But I’m definitely not playing it all the time.
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You're over-analyzing it. It's a shitpost about people who shitpost about not voting for Biden and the people who shitpost in response to the not-vote-for-biden shitpost.
Unless you were shitposting; bravo if so sir.
It’s a shitpost about people who shitpost about not voting for Biden
So an inside-inside joke? Too meta for me, I guess. It went over my head. Thanks for responding though.
Unless you were shitposting; bravo if so sir.
Sadly, I'm not that clever.
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Doubtful you are taking up all the oxygen in the room friend, you are trying to learn about others to cultivate a varied and nuanced opinion. The type of engagement being described here is more specific...
What happens a lot of the time is people coming on and basically trying to tell people what their deal is. I am trans and people in this category of engagement come at me and try to insist things directly to my face about me which simply do not reflect how being trans works. They can't argue me out of my position when it represents my lived reality but they will argue from a position that they are an authority that can tell me what is best for me... Or they argue from a position of a society that just doesn't have time or patience to care and shouldn't need to expend effort to care. They desperately have an opinion because everyone is talking but they get their sources strictly from cis people who talk strictly to other cis people about us because talking to us and letting us tell them what our deal is ourselves is unthinkable. Our accounts if reality are discounted because we are supposed to be delusional and someone else, a cis person, should be making decisions for us. To actually approach us as an authority on what it is like to live our lives is by them considered a radical position.
A lot of it can be easily spotted in how someone had their whiteness pointed out to them or mention how the concept of whiteness operates in society. Basically because whiteness is supposed to be a default just mentioning it tends to make white people uncomfortable to talk about it. That we think about our whiteness as little as possible is a feature of privilege and not a comfort extended to POC who operate in ways that interface with their race regularly. So when we discuss that privilege it brings us in line with the level of conscious awareness POCs tend to have about how their race routinely impacts their experience and rather than seeing that as an equality and sensitivity to be aware of their own whiteness in a space people treat it as a racist attack because we aren't supposed to even be a race - just a raceless default.
Problem is if trans or POC people talk about cisness or whiteness then suddenly there's a hissy fit about how we shouldn't even mention those things. They are treated like slurs because we aren't supposed to notice you're cis and white. It is the thing we cannot speak on... But try being a minority and NOT discussing the majority. Our we don't get to choose how our society operates, the majority does which means every time we leave the house we deal with the majority while members of majority and the minority themselves only gets to see a minority rarely. Our lives are limited by the will of a majority and sometimes that means discomfort, inconvenience or pressure exerted on us by them. You can't talk about us without understanding what you look like from our perspective. So in saying "you can't talk about us!" the burden falls on us because we can't really use comparison or try and utilize what we know of your norms to explain what ours are.
If you are self aware that people who experience a thing directly have insights you can learn from. This guy in the meme isn't you.
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Ah, this is "a lesson about how to exclude white people (still the majority of the country) from any social justice movement." Characterize and belittle any of them who try to engage and support a cause.
If they can't relate and want to have a conversation about it but challenge some of the ideas then they're the baddies. If they don't just repeat the movement's slogans without thought then clearly they should be excluded. This honestly feels like a right wing subversion tactic.
Yes, I know there are people like the post. People who love to argue and do it for the fun of arguing. Those people do cause trouble if you're trying to get a consensus or get something done.... But just like "welfare , queens" or criminal illegal immigrants, they feel like the minority where this is intending to paint a large group of people with the same brush.
It's usually not good to make fun of people who are trying to help, or you teach people to shut down and not engage with your cause. If the statement is you have to have experienced or you can't relate, then why bother having a movement because you're not trying to convince anybody who isn't already on your side.
The country of lemmy.world?
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"Dont think about your decisions, just listen to me and ill tell you whats best"
- TokenBoomer
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Not to excuse the behaviour, but I honestly think some people do it reflexively. Like I think some of the most egregious "sea lions" actually believe that they're being measured and rational and just asking questions and raising concerns, or whatever bullshit.
Definitely some real bad actors, too, but also many many many useful idiots. I'm convinced. Just because I remember being a white 21yo and thinking I was some kind of atheist truth seeker, when really it was mostly just gas bagging
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Thinking the color of your skin has anything to do with anything is an easy way for me to not take anything you say seriously. The inequality is class based, not race. But keep spouting off about how whiteys are the devil and creating more racists of all colors. Both of these sides serve the ruling class by distracting us from the real issues.
So, what's your race and gender then as I'm generally curious.
He is the guy on the meme.
It's got to be intentional irony, right?
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whataboutism at its finest. Some fucker on the news made the whataboutists angry now they will happily follow around some rich ass mother fucker. Also the rich ass mother fucker is distrusted by there own followers but doesn't mind using them as pawns in there little game of 4d chess.
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Somebody deleted my comment on here and it wasn't me, so that's pretty fucked up.
Mods if you're deleting people's comments without notification, you're going to get your community blocked.
Don't be a censoring shithead, and keep the Internet free as it should be.
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hear me out..
I do think there are people this applies to, but my understanding is there are relatively few of them and you can identify them as they talk shit about everyone to get gossip and hold petty grudges like gollum would hold the ring of power.
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