Explain Like I'm Five

The theological answer, as I learned it, is most clearly spelled out in James 2:14-26, often referenced through the phrase "faith without works is dead". The short version is: faith in Jesus will save you, not good deeds. However, if you have faith in Jesus, then that faith will manifest itself through good deeds. If someone proclaims their faith but doesn't act lovingly, then they don't actually have faith and won't be saved. So a Christian should be a good person not because being good will save them, but because being good is a result of genuine faith.

TLDR: He doesn't forgive anyone who sins, he forgives those who repent. Repent not meaning "feeling sorry" as many seem to explain, but actually meaning "to turn away" which means changing fundamentally as a human being. From a bad person to a good person.

Someone who doesn't change and act good most of the time isn't repentant, so isn't forgiven. So basically, you prove it with your actions and how you live your life, not with just words only. By this measurement, Republican "Christians" aren't repentant and so aren't forgiven.

Not a Christian anymore, but I used to be for a very long time. Sidebar: "You will know a tree by it's fruit" AKA you'll know what kind of person someone is by what they do. Anyone who's even skimmed the bible (especially the new testament) would easily understand that most conservative "christians" aren't Christian at all, but rather like the Pharisees (phony religious types) that Jesus constantly argued with and condemned.

Other note: Sikhs actually live the way Christian claim to. I could easily make a "hard to swallow pill" meme which said: "Sikhs are better Christians than actual Christians are."

IIRC the trick is to get your forgiveness after the last dick move, but before you die. If you mess up the timing, eternal damnation so it’s safer to be good.

My general understanding is that you're forgiven if you choose to accept Jesus. (Note that I am not christian, but was raised as such.) You are not required to accept salvation. Actions, by themselves, mean nothing; you can be a fantastic, moral person, and work all of your life to help other people, and without accepting Jesus you're still damned. OTOH, if you have truly accepted Jesus, then ipso facto you're going to work tirelessly to help people; actions are a natural consequence of the belief. Therefore, someone that acts contrary to the teaching of Jesus is not saved, because they do not have true belief.

For a real world example, Jimmy Carter would be a person that you could say would be saved (...if any of this was real); his effort demonstrates the faith he claims. OTOH, looking at all of the televangelists, you could quite reasonably say that their daily lives contradict the teachings of Jesus, and therefore no professed belief can ever result in their salvation.

Seems to me this is a protestant thing, i grew up Catholic and repentance was a major part of it. You don't change and become a better person? Then no absolution for you.

Catholic here. Despite God's forgiveness, Jesus never said salvation is guaranteed. As he said, "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven". And that's just for the rich. There are other passages that emphasize the difficulty of gaining eternal life in Heaven, " the way is narrow", "you must take up your cross", and so on. Christ's death and resurrection made salvation possible in the first place. We couldn't even have a hope of it without His help. He also gave us the way that we must follow to gain salvation now that it's possible: belief in God and Christ, and following His commandments, given through the Church.

To put it in another way, we all have a relationship with God. That relationship was damaged through original sin in a way we could not repair on our own. God still has always loved us, but without Christ's sacrifice, He could not forgive our betrayal through sin and therefore we remained separated from Him. Once Christ bore the burden of our sin and overcame it, that repaired humanity's relationship with God overall and God is willing to forgive any sin, past or present, that we commit against Him. As long as we do not commit a serious sin, that relationship will stay intact. Two people in a relationship may do little things that annoy or lightly anger the other person, but we've all got stuff that aren't "deal-breakers" with each other. But a serious sin done with full knowledge and of one's own free will, which in the Catholic Church we call a mortal sin, is a "deal-breaker" that once again severs our own personal relationship with God and threatens our salvation. It's basically a betrayal of God's love. God has these rules and morality and such because He loves us so much He wants the absolute best for humanity and the world. Sin does damage to that, and mortal sin does damage to that in a big way. God is always willing to forgive, but in order for that to happen we have to show that we are sorry for breaking that relationship and promise/resolve that we will do our best to try not to do it again. We have to reconcile with God just as two people in a strained or broken relationship have to reconcile with each other. In the Catholic Church, we believe that reconciliation happens in the Sacrament of Reconciliation, where we confess what we did to a priest, who is in the person of Jesus at that time, and make that resolution to not sin again. The priest then offers a penance as a way to basically "make it up" to God, or as a theologian I heard once say, "clean up the glass and repair the window we broke", and the good relationship with God is restored. Basically, yeah, God is always willing to forgive if we ask for it... But that doesn't mean we still can't break that relationship. I'd always be willing to forgive a best friend if they were to betray me, but if they actually did that, I'd still be mad, and if they don't respond to my calls offering that forgiveness, well, there's not much more I can do to fix the relationship with my friend at that point if they don't want to be forgiven.

You have to be truly sorry for your sins and make an honest attempt at not doing them again. That being said if you sneak in a really sincere confession right before death, then by the book, you should go to heaven. This is a loooot like Christians last rights, the sacraments they use on the dying.

Fun fact anyone can preform last rights for a Christian should they request it. Reason being that people don't always get to choose when they need their last rights so holy men may or may not be around.

Oh snaps! A Christian question I'm qualified to answer! I'm not sure this will be five year old appropriate, because the cross is a difficult topic for theologians, but I'll do my best. This will be an oversimplification.

A lot of people think the people think the cross and forgiveness are about going to have a heaven when you die, but that's not really correct. The eternal life is more of a side effect.

The cross and resurrection are an invitation to partner together with God in the rescue of creation. Which means bringing the world back to the place God originally intended before humanity sinned.

In practical terms, it is the possibility of living like Jesus and treating others how he did. This way of living is so radical and transformative that not even death can overcome it.

I come from a protestant tradition that says you can't ever be good enough to be saved. Jesus lived a perfect, sinless life and acted as a substitutionary sacrifice on our behalf to make us righteous before God. All the work of salvation is done through Christ. If salvation required anything other than faith to save ourselves (e.g. being good), then his death and resurrection would be meaningless. So once we are made righteous by God through faith, God begins the work of sanctification (being made holy and more Christlike). We don't believe this will fully happen in this life but is a process that we go through as we walk with God.

TLDR: It isn't about doing good things to be saved but rather we're saved and slowly begin to orient our lives around doing good things.

Christians aren't a monolith. There isn't a single right answer here. Everyone practices religion in their own way. You'd have to ask this to Christians on a personal level.

You won't be forgiven no matter what. If you carry on sinning, there is no more forgiveness. The only thing you can expect is to be thrown into outer darkness forever where you will be mourning and regretting your decision.

Put it this way: you drove drunk and killed someone. You've been given the death penalty by the judge. But a person called Jesus steps in and says "I'll take his place. Let him go free".

Would you ever drink drive again after someone died in your place to give you a second chance? Surely not! You would be sober, very grateful and even yet to help other people not make the same mistake.

It's the same with sin. Jesus paid a HEAVY price to redeem you. Don't spit in his face by carrying on with the same sins. Instead be grateful and find out how you should live instead.

Read the 10 commandments in Exodus 20. And also read the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) to see how Jesus further explains and practices these.

The goal is to become holy like Jesus

Hope that helps.

Its like disappointing your mother (or anyone else who loves you unconditionally). Even if you know she’ll forgive you, you want to good by your mother if not for the simple fact that you love each other.

It varies significantly between denominations, I know that much. Guaranteed salvation is protestant-specific, at the very least, and isn't even held by all denominations within.

Imagine Jesus as a director of a company that accepts all sincere applicants. The director assumes responsibility for all the mistakes his employees make, but he doesn't assume responsibility for people who only claim to be employees. People who purposely commit crimes get fired and applications by people who apply with the purpose of commiting crimes get rejected for not being sincere. (That's not to say someone who once was fired can't reapply if they're actually sincere about it, but since God sees into people's hearts and minds, you can't trick him.)

For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries - Hebrews 10:26-27

That's the fun part! It depends on which branch of Christianity you believe in. Some think it's only faith, some the baptism/saved, and some good works.

I am no longer a Christian, I came from a super fundamentalist bent of Christianity. The idea of choosing to not sin even if you know your sins are forgiven has to do with love.

"For God so loved the world he gave his only son for our sins" etc

So the pastor tells us that we know we are a real Christian who is really saved by our "good fruits", that is, the good things we choose to do and the bad things we choose not to do. So by choosing not to sin, you're proving to yourself that God is real and that God really saved you, because, as everyone knows, it's impossible to be for even a moment anything but absolutely selfish without God's help.

Most Christians aren't that Calvinist though. That was the church I grew up in.

Becoming a Christian isn't about having to be good in order to avoid punishment, it is instead about being given the freedom to do the good you would like to do but find yourself not able to do.

Most people have the experience of having standards for themselves they don't live up to. Jesus was the perfect person you want to be but can't be, and died to give you the opportunity to know God like He did/does so you can actually start to become that person.

You're right that he forgives no matter what. That's because he loves no matter what. Image you saw a child living on the streets alone, and you wanted to adopt them. You then pay hundreds of thousands in adoption fees, supplies, etc. In order to bring them into your family because you care about them and love them so much. It wouldn't matter how many times they continued to act out, their behavior was not the point. Rescuing them from a cold dark world was the point. And the more time they spend in your loving family, the less and less they will feel the need to act out because they learn that it isn't necessary anymore. No more stealing, your food is free. No more fighting, dad looks our for me now. No more getting sick for weeks, doctors visit the next day.

“Come to me, all of you who are struggling and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” Matthew 11:28‭-‬30

“Therefore, I tell you, don’t worry about your life — what you will eat or drink; or about your body — what you will wear. Isn’t life more than food and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds flying about! They neither plant nor harvest, nor do they gather food into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Aren’t you worth more than they are? Can any of you by worrying add a single hour to his life? “And why be anxious about clothing? Think about the fields of wild irises, and how they grow. They neither work nor spin thread, yet I tell you that not even Shlomo in all his glory was clothed as beautifully as one of these. If this is how God clothes grass in the field — which is here today and gone tomorrow, thrown in an oven — won’t he much more clothe you? What little trust you have! “So don’t be anxious, asking, ‘What will we eat?,’ ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘How will we be clothed?’ For it is the pagans who set their hearts on all these things. Your heavenly Father knows you need them all. But seek first his Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Don’t worry about tomorrow — tomorrow will worry about itself! Today has enough worry already! Matthew 6:25‭-‬34

And eternal life is this: to know you, the one true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus the Messiah. John 17:3

Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your wrongdoing? Romans 2:4

IIRC, Baptists believe in "Faith Alone" leads to salvation.

Catholics believe in forgiveness and mortal sins that must be wiped away through the sacrament of Confession. IE: You have to effectively promise to God you don't plan to do those evil deeds again.

Etc. etc. Different Christian groups have different beliefs. Its impossible to generalize. I think from the "Baptist" perspective, if you truly are a faithful practicing Christian, you don't need Confession because you know (and God knows) you're going to be doing the right thing anyway. So its not like its a get-out-of-jail-free card either, they just don't like the Catholic practice of Confession so they built their faith around a different structure than the explicit sacrament of asking God for forgiveness.

Granted I'm non religious but I've always interpreted this as god is forgiving not stupid he can tell if your genuinely begging to be a good person or just begging to get away with murder or something he can see your personal growth and tone of intent the baptism is pretty pointless if you yourself believe in it it's also the reason why my parents were against baptizing me at birth it's pointless if you haven't lived to genuinely want to be baptized

In Jesus's time, there were three different sects of Judaism.

One of them, the Sadducees, allegedly believed there was no life after death and that God didn't care at all about what people did or didn't do.

Their answer to your question of following the law is perhaps the most interesting.

They believed that what was put forth as laws were a gift to humanity and that following them inherently led to a better life in the here and now.

While I don't personally see all of the laws put forward as beneficial, there are certainly instances where that makes a lot of sense.

For example, look at the full version of one of the commandments:

Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.

• Exodus 20:12

Would following a commandment to take care of your parents in their old age ('honor' here comes from the word for burden) benefit you by setting an example such that when you are old that you too would be taken care of?

This was almost like social security in antiquity, much like the Sabbath was one of the first labor laws preventing working anyone more than 6 days in a row.

There's something called the overjustification effect, where when you introduce external reward systems for something intrinsically rewarding people over focus on the external and forget the internal benefits. I think a number of religions have serious issues with that.

There's even a certain irony in Job, named 'persecuted' in Hebrew because even though he lived a good life he experienced suffering which it explains by the intervention of Satan, today in the most common language among believers being the exact same word as "to do a task with the expectation of a reward."

Maybe we're too focused on the rewards.

Basically just the bible says you are supposed to be good, and Jesus says you are supposed to be good. It is kind of a big loophole though, if you really aren't interested in being good.

I think the counterargument is, if you continue to be a huge dick, have you really accepted Jesus into your heart? It's the actual reason Pascal's Wager is such a shit argument: one of the unstated premises is that you can pull a fast one on God.

The simple answer is that the "you have to be good" Christians are not the same people as the "Jesus forgives no matter what" Christians. Beliefs and doctrines vary wildly throughout Christianity, and different Christians often believe contradictory things. This isn't helped by the fact that the Bible itself, being a collection of many books by many authors, contains contradictory viewpoints. This allows believers to focus on the elements they like and ignore the ones they don't.

You don't...not really. It's like a child leaving their parents house - you "can" now do whatever you want: good luck with that.:-)

Another take: the whole "being good" part is Santa Claus, not Jesus. The whole "acting in a well-behaved manner" is more what parents tell their kids that Jesus wanted (oh uh...yeah, it's JESUS that wanted you to be quiet in your room at 8pm, totally), while what Jesus actually said essentially translates to: fuck hypocrites, imma leave you behind when I'm in charge beotches!

I mean that seriously though - like to pick just one example:

If anyone says, “I love God,” but hates his brother, he is a liar;
(1 John 4:20)

So hating gays is...a choice one could make I suppose, but if you say you are a follower of Christ at the same time, then Jesus calls such people "liars".

The real question is: if Jesus says one thing, but a particular church/pastor/priest/pedo says something else, which one defines the "religion"? Just like everything else in the world, truth gets mixed in with fiction, and sold as a package to control the masses - e.g. Orwell's Animal Farm, like overthrowing The Man was a good thing, but then who they picked to replace him... urg:-(.

I'm atheist, but I've been interested in religion in general for quite some time.

From what I know, it's that you have to genuinely have remorse for the bad things you've done and then Jesus will forgive you. It your remorse is fake, Jesus won't forgive.

Raised Catholic. Don't believe in hell. Lost my mom recently so i hope there's a heaven. If there is i assume it would be accepting of all. I try not to do things that hurt people because i don't like to see people hurt.

we dont. thats the point. because we just have no chance of reaching some level that god can accept on our own. Everyon can be rescued, no matter what they did, because nothing is worse than beeing distant from god. However i do think that people that commit horrible crimes generally dont give a fuck about some god forgiving their sins. it just excludes one another. yet this door stays open just in case this changes. ..until death or rapture

Not an expert on the matter (even when I was raised Catholic), but I don't think you can give a single view that covers all branches of Christianity on things like guilt, repentance and whether you are defined by who you are or what you do as I think there are relevant differences between Lutheranism and Catholicism on those matters. So maybe worth determining first what branch of Christianity we are talking about :-D