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[–] [email protected] 135 points 1 year ago (4 children)

On the day of the killings, Veltman denied that he went out on the day with the intention of conducting murders despite the fact he had written a manifesto, put on a military helmet, a bulletproof vest, and a white shirt with a cross on it that was a reference to an online meme about crusaders killing Muslims.

Dude is just trying to save his skin and pass the blame for what he did elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (12 children)

You're right, but the blame does lie with multiple people too. Yeah, his only chance of saving his skin is if other's responsibility somehow diminishes his own culpability, but he will soon find out this is not a zero-sum game.

But shouting "fire!" In a crowded theater isn't free speech and will get you a jail sentence if it creates a disaster. Infowars (and Alex Jones specifically), and other organisations (they identify libertarian and mainstream conservative content plus youtube algorithm) also need to be held to account for inflammatory speech that encourages violence; provided that it can be demonstrated that they're pushing dangerous misinformation. Especially if they are making money doing it.

I won't hold my breath waiting to see that happen though.

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[–] Everythingispenguins 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He didn't intend to do any murdering, he just was fully prepared just in case the opportunity for some murdering came up. You know how one might pack a few snacks just in case they get peckish between meals.

[–] jarfil 4 points 1 year ago

denied that he went out on the day with the intention of conducting murders

What did he expect, that they would respawn?

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Hey Canada, can the confessed murder of most of an entire family inspired by far right propeganda finally be enough justification to ban that content in this country?

Seriously, can I just ask my MP this question? Can we all ask our MPs this question?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Man, Cheryl Gallant sends me enough crazy flyers already.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do these people watch conspiratorial content and miss the fact that pale male European colonialism literally is the conspiracy?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is it a conspiracy? It's a fact that's been quite well known for hundreds of years

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's mostly the modern understanding, but the word also still means people working together to achieve something.

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[–] Treczoks 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about slapping an "aiding and abetting" on Infowars?

[–] irreticent 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Qanon cultists in congress would never allow that.

[–] Treczoks 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not an issue for congress, this is a legal affair and job of the DA and the court.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The blame my upbringing defense. Nice.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well yeah, how do you think people become who they are? Magic?

[–] Animoscity 22 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Yep. The guys a piece of shit but pieces of shit are not born that way. That level of hate is learned.

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[–] VantaBrandon 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah we pretty much already just assumed that

[–] lennybird 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We 100% knew that. What I'm curious about is how this shapes legal precedent moving forward. We have legal testimony proving the stochastic terror risk to right-wing media outlets like this, which may help clamp down on this rhetoric down the road.

[–] weirdwallace75 5 points 1 year ago

"It isn't my fault I was a monster! It was that nasty Alex Jones! Honest! YA GOTTA BELIEVE ME!"

Yeah, pull the other one.

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