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[–] [email protected] 163 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

And go fucking where and how?? They all will just catch the train?? A boat?? A really big bus??

Also

The Israeli military said it would operate "significantly" in Gaza City in the coming days and civilians would only be able to return when another announcement was made.

Famously leaving and returning is very easy for Palestinians and they will have no reservations leaving with a potential of returning.

[–] ShunkW 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah there's no way the city isn't just annexed into Israel.

[–] FrankFrankson 58 points 1 year ago

Yeah they are not just going to do that. First they will flatten it and kill anyone who stayed in it THEN they will annex it.

[–] iforgotmyinstance 37 points 1 year ago

They don't care. They already cut off the water. The Israeli government is hoping to see as many men, women and children dead in the deserts and plains of the region as possible.

[–] KingCrimson 35 points 1 year ago

Just leave bro! Trust us™

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I feel like im going nuts.We are watching the destructon of a civillian population take place,cheered on by western goverments and media.I just feel sick

[–] takeda 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is it really cheered?

Most people only agree that the murders on civilians started by Hamas were absolutely horrible and unnecessary. As for what is coming after I don't think normal people are happy about either.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I haven't seen any Western government that matters condemn it, at least.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (12 children)

“But they are allowed to defend themselves” says the Western presidents.

This has nothing to do anymore with defending themselves. This is just another path to their genocide mission.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Agree. I can acknowledge Hamas is fucked up, while also acknowledging Israel is using a bigger stick to simply be more fucked up in a more organized way now.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both sides are murdering countless innocent civilians. This whole situation is horrible. There are no winners in this war.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm still baffled by what Hamas was thinking this thing would achieve. It's giving Israel the excuse to completely wipe out Gaza. It's one thing to destroy the wall and attack a military base, but murdering entire villages was only going to have one outcome. It's like they wanted the opposite of Palestinian liberation.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They want to go out in "a blaze of glory" rather than fade away. Israel has been clearing them out slowly and nobody is stopping it, but if Hamas provokes Israel into doing it quickly maybe that will generate enough outrage that the world will try to stop it.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It makes perfect sense if you read up on the history of the conflict, particularly over the last 30 years.

Palestine's reward for trying to find a diplomatic solution has been Western-sanctioned destruction and massacre every single time. We westerners have largely ignored that their land has been taken, hospitals and infrastructure bombed, news reporters and civilians shot in cold blood, and no meaningful repercussions for any of it. They've even been blockaded for sixteen years.

Think of it like a smaller-scale Tet Offensive. It didn't seem to make a ton of sense for the Vietnamese to launch an offensive against the South Vietnam and their powerful allies either.

And when you consider how unreasonable it is for 1.1 million people to evacuate in a day, remember also that these people aren't allowed out in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My guess is that they wanted to provoke Israel into attacking, hoping that the rest of the nations in the area would use the atrocities as a justification to attack Israel.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

They must know that the support for Palestinians by neighbouring countries has only been limited to lip service by most Arab countries for decades. They're all too happy to buy Israeli tech to spy on their own populations, that's basically the bargain they made to stay in power.

There's basically only Iran and Lebanon that are actual "allies", and that's basically more Iran using those groups to make things difficult for the US, and not anything that would actually help Palestinians.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah there's one universal truth in war: everyone loses. Maybe it's their life, their sanity, their resources, or their supporters, but everyone loses.

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[–] rustyfish 105 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Over a million people out of a city in that region is impossible.

Over a million people are going where exactly? Are there camps where they can stay? Where there is water and food? Are their basic needs met? Or are they just expected to walk into the desert, never to return from the shadow realm?

Over a million people who are supposed to stay away while the Israeli military does what exactly? Fight against the Hamas on a fair battlefield? Because the Hamas is known for playing by the rules, yes? Because they also won’t just leave the city to strike at a later time, right? You understand how terrorists operate? You might have learned one thing or another in the last few decades?

Over a million people who can’t leave the city and will either get murdered by the Israeli military, murdered by Hamas or slaughtered in the crossfire. Israel can say „Told ya to leave the city“ and Hamas will get rock hard at the next generation of desperate people who will be easy to recruit.

But what do I know? You do you. Everyone else seems to know it better and shit just keeps getting worse. Every single decade, this shitfest escalates more and more. People die, politicians condemn, some really like the idea of Jew or Muslims dying. Everyone acts like they did a thing.

This is not the end. We will be here again in ten years. Same shit, only even worse than now.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The impossibility of evacuating all those people safely is the point, Israel wants the civilians to die.
This is the modern Trail of Tears, but since Israel has been predetermined to be the good guy it will be cheered and celebrated.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meanwhile Hamas is telling people to stay and is actively stopping people from leaving. source

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

With how messy a evacuation this large and sudden tends to be, stopping it may save lives.
It depends on what Israel does after the time is up though, so that isn't for sure better or worse.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fight against the Hamas on a fair battlefield?

They're going to bomb it from a very safe distance. And, if the last week is anything to go by, may 'accidentally' bomb places they've herded everyone into.

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[–] JackSkellington 94 points 1 year ago (5 children)

How the fuck do you evacuate more than 1 million people , where the majority are women and children??

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know, through the border crossings that are all closed. They're just announcing this to claim that they gave people ample warning to leave when inevitably scores of Palestinians end up bombed.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago

You can't. Isreal knows this. But by saying "We told them to evacuate" they've now provided themselves sufficient cover for everything that happens after. When civilians get slaughtered on mass they'll just keep repeating "They were told evacuate".

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Not to mention the old, the sick and the disabled. On top of that the numerous injured from the bombings.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

Answer: You don't. Not in 24 hours and especially not when the people in charge don't want the civilians to leave either. This will be used by Israel as a thin justification that whatever they do next did not hit civilians because they asked them to evacuate (the 24h hours part of this ultimatum will be dropped under the table, never to be mentioned again).

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

you dont

its a formality, theyre committing genocide

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Israel's wet dream, an excuse to displace half of all Palestinians from their land, bomb it all to the ground, if there are casualties; "Hey, you were warned."

Don't get me wrong. Fuck Hamas, but also fuck Israel, fuck neocolonialism, fuck propaganda/disinformation about baby beheadings and free Palestine!

[–] Kbobabob 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget fuck religion. Let's not pretend like that's not a core issue.

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[–] Tom_bishop 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This scene from a game has some resemblance of the situation. Plus, israel is using white phosporus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7TaLjdXMc

"Why...?" "You brought this on yourself"

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[–] coldv 70 points 1 year ago

This is barely even a "formality" before a massacre. Israel was looking for an excuse to go all out without any restraint and they got it. It's fucking tragic that these bastards are playing with civilians lives. Fuck both authorities.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Israel is a terrorist state.

[–] tigerjerusalem 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So considering the disproportionate actions against innocent civilians we're seeing Israel do to annex some land, we're surely will see sanctions and economic blocks against them soon right? RIGHT?

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[–] Tom_bishop 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Same tactic by israel before. They flat out a building office of AlJazeera & Associated Press back in 2021 with a 1 hour warning. They really dont care if all civilian manage to evacuate or not

https://youtu.be/bQjq802NX8g

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[–] ohlaph 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would be near impossible even if organized.

[–] KingCrimson 43 points 1 year ago

It literally just feels like a guise so that when humans rights groups or the international community raise questions about it they can be like, "But we warned them!!"

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Where are they supposed to go? Egypt closed their border too. Israel wants to kill them and then say "we warned you". The israel government and Hamas need to pay for every citizen that is hurt

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

After 24 hours Israel will slaughter who is left and pretend like everyone who isn't Hamas had time to leave. This smells like a thin concession so Israel can pretend like they follow international laws for whatever comes next.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And then many of those who managed to flee end up dying too, since they have nowhere to go.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Also, large crowds fleeing in panic are not exactly save in themselves. And don't even start with people with disabilities.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Israel is a terrorist state.

[–] diffuselight 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I see someone has an Endlösung in mind. It’s hard to escape the impression that maybe it wasn’t intelligence community incompetence that invited this “perl habor”. And the plans for this do feel like they’ve been in some drawer for a while.

Nothing justifies Hamas but likewise, nothing justifies doing this to the many innocent, the children, the babies, the people just happened to be born in the wrong spot. The average age in Gaza is, iirc, below 18

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Damn, Isreal really saw what happened in fallujah and went "Ooh write that down write that down"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

This coming massacre brought to you by taxpayers like you! Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, Gaza is larger than just Gaza city so it could be done eventually I guess but the timeline is laughable.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

It's also one of the most densely populated places in earth. It's not like they have a million vacant buildings ready to go. You couldn't do this on a multi-year timeline.

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