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  • Hamas duped Israel into thinking it cared more about economic stability than a war, Reuters said.

  • Meanwhile, it was practicing for an attack in plain sight, the report said.

  • Hamas trained its fighters on a mock Israeli settlement, learning how to storm it, Reuters added.

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The Palestinian militant group Hamas built a mock Israeli town in Gaza and practiced attacking in plain sight — but Israel didn't react, Reuters reported on Sunday.

Hamas militants launched a surprise offensive on Israel on Saturday, in what has been described as the worst breach in Israel's defenses in decades.

The attack followed a careful campaign of deception by Hamas that ensured Israel was caught off guard over the weekend, an unnamed source, with connections to the group, told Reuters.

Despite convincing Israel that they had no interest in war, Hamas militants were practicing for the offensive in plain sight by setting up a mock Israeli settlement in Gaza to train its fighters.

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[–] dustyData 76 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let's not pretend that this isn't a huge popularity boost for Netanyahu and the Israeli right. Now they have an excuse for years of military operations and populist propaganda. Israel has a military industrial complex that not even Iran can match. A plausible theory is that they just let it happen. Since they feel like it gives them carte blanche for unlimited retaliation. I fear we will see a Palestinian genocide in this decade.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Israeli population is furious at Netanyahu for the intelligence failures that allowed this to happen. He may stick around for a unity government while military operations are conducted, but he's gonna be toast after this.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

One can only hope but hes a the point where the courts dont matter to his government so we'll see I guess. This stinks either way

[–] filister 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The conspiratorial me is having a hard time believing that Israel's intelligence was kind of unaware that something big was brewing up.

In times like this people are getting united in their grief. Like this Netanyahu would get a green card to conduct a large scale military operation in Gaza, which of course would lead to even more civilian casualties and suffering, he will probably introduce some new legislation, giving him even greater rights to govern and escape justice and probably introducing even more restrictions in the area, which logically would only increase the tension.

I highly doubt that anything good will come out of this situation and that's really sad.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Both sides are in a codependent downwards spiral towards more authoritarian states. No, nothing good ever comes from revenge after revenge after revenge.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I doubt they understood the scale, but I suspect that Netanyahu's government was more than happy to plan to let Hamas strike first to kick-start the war the current administration has been trying to provoke since at least May.

[–] TwoGems 34 points 1 year ago

Not unlikely. Netanyahu needs a distraction from being a fascist afterall.

[–] Crashumbc 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is absolutely correct. Israel wants this as bad as Hamas.

They may even actively and purposely looked the other way.

[–] JustZ 2 points 1 year ago

I've been thinking this since it began.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t think the conspiracy theory that they had advance knowledge is true, if only because the immediate response was so chaotic. If they knew, they’d have at least had a plan to respond.

But one thing that’s not a conspiracy is that Netanyahu had a policy to strengthen Hamas as part of a cynical strategy to kill off the 2 state solution. Basically, undermine the more moderate Palestinian Authority by allowing Hamas to get more organized, rule Gaza without fresh elections, let Hamas-linked groups distribute aid, etc.

So, while I don’t think they knew about the current attacks, I do think they knew an attack would eventually, inevitably come and they thought it’d be worth it to have Hamas as a boogeyman.

[–] somethingsnappy 7 points 1 year ago

Remind me again who backed Hamas in the early days?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This just further raises questions on whether Netanyahu was actually unaware or if this attack was allowed to happen to provide cover for his corruption charges.

With so many different blatantly apparent elements and the well known past efforts by the IDF and Israeli intelligence to prevent things like this, such a massive buildup toward the attack in plain sight seems impossible to have been missed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Palestinian militant group Hamas built a mock Israeli town in Gaza and practiced attacking in plain sight — but Israel didn't react, Reuters reported on Sunday.

The attack followed a careful campaign of deception by Hamas that ensured Israel was caught off guard over the weekend, an unnamed source, with connections to the group, told Reuters.

Despite convincing Israel that they had no interest in war, Hamas militants were practicing for the offensive in plain sight by setting up a mock Israeli settlement in Gaza to train its fighters.

"Israel surely saw [the videos], but they were convinced that Hamas wasn't keen on getting into a confrontation," the source told Reuters.

In the years leading up to the attack, Hamas fighters wanted to give the impression that they were war-weary and more concerned about ensuring that workers in Gaza had access to jobs in Israel.

Israel's Defence Minister Yoav Gallant on Monday said he had ordered a "complete siege" on the Gaza Strip: "No electricity, no food, no fuel."


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[–] aesthelete 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe they should've built a mock Israeli town, pretended it was a real one, and practiced actually governing it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, governing the open air prison, where the average age of the resident is 18, having their civilian infrastructure bombed and destroyed constantly. Why didn't they think of self determination before? /s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Waiting patiently for your turn to get evicted while the IDF forces incursions kill and maim whomever they please including foreign journalists. Sounds like a treat

[–] Fades 1 points 1 year ago

How hard you gotta train to kill unarmed festival goers/dancers?