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I never got this. They say he is omnipotent, therefore he does not perceive time in a linear way like we do. He knows everything that ever was, is and will be all at once. So there is not much to test here. Either he does the things needed to make me a believer or he doesn't. It's his choice and not mine. Free will is meaningless here, even if it does exist, he does already knows my choice before I make it or he is not omnipotent.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus
~~Ackshually~~ it was probably not Epicurus, but Sextus Empiricus. From the surviving writings it seems Epicurus was really not fond of Atheists.
(Doesn’t change that it’s a great argument, I just hate that we don’t have a definite source for it)
Sure, but "God works in mysterious ways," so it's not my responsibility to clear up any paradoxes that arise from my religious axioms. Get with the program.
"God works in mysterious ways" is a nice way of describing him as a Lovecraftian horror we cannot possibly understand.
Playing The Sims 2 helped make His mysterious ways less mysterious but the same amount of cosmic horror.
Hypothetically, if such an entity did exist, shouldn't that same logic also extend to knowing his own future choices? Since they already know everything that will happen, they also know everything that they themselves are going to do, and therefore, have essentially no agency themselves, because even if their power is infinite, it is already set beforehand what they are going to use that power for and they are essentially just along for the ride?
For that matter, if they know everything, and therefore know everything at all points in time all at once and so shouldn't perceive time linearly, then there is no room for such a being to really engage in information processing, since that requires taking in information, and doing something with it to produce new information, and this kind of being has already taken in all the information possible from the very beginning, does not experience a meaningful flow of time (and so cannot experience change with which to apply to that input), and already has all the outputs from the very beginning too. Since thinking is a form of information processing, it occurs to me a truly omniscient being like this should basically be a philosophical zombie; basically an unconscious object of incredible scope that merely appears to be a conscious thinking entity to humans due to our limited perception of time.
As a thought experiment, if we think of a god as a being that exists in the 5th dimension, it could be omnipotent/omniscient to the lower 4 (3 spacial + time) but only have a limited presence/influence regarding things like probability, and no influence whatsoever on things like other realities.
Similar to how we exist in the 4th dimension and can fully manipulate the lower three; but while we exist and are aware of time, we can't manipulate it outside of trying to nudge it with extreme speed or gravity.
A god in 5th dimension then would kinda look like someone playing the Sims and making use of save states to try to optimize every decision in the game; and while you might be aware that other games exist, -this- one can only ever be Sims.
This would make omnipotence a question of scope - to the individual sim, the player is all powerful in the ways that an individual sim can experience, so, omnipotent; but that player can't do shit to Minecraft, or instances of Sims running on other computers, so, simultaneously not omnipotent.
Basically the Many Worlds theory, but each reality would have its own god.
...which still doesn't really pass the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good test, but it does at least frame the concept of god in a more interesting way from a mythology perspective.
No religion that I'm aware of acknowledges things like dimensions, but then they present their god as existing in a way that's clearly outside the scope of the 4 we experience... So, there's wiggle room even in actual religious lore in how we package things like "omnipotence".
I love movies and books that touch on topics like this, like situations where you've got a super-being but they build in limitations.
one who can "see" into the future for hundreds of years but can only actually view one timeline simultaneously and in real-time (meaning they could see any event in the future but would need to burn time in "the now" like watching a recorded video)
beings that constantly lose track of what the "current" reality/timeline is in a seas of possibilities (MIB3's "Griffin" is a fun example of this)
being able to know what significant future events will occur but unable to influence whether they do or not. Unavoidable destiny (e.g. Emma's Death in "the Time Machine" is unavoidable, though the exact many it occurs changes)
Knowing what "bad things" will happen but still being on the "best track" timeline as deviations make things worse (Loki, Butterfly Effect)
Macro level knowledge overcrowding micro level suffering in the backdrop of inter-galactic scales and infinite time
semi-autonomous superpowers commanded by unfathomable beings without fine control and a limited self-awareness
None of this of course is an argument for the existence of an actual deity that loves us but ignores us, however they are fun ways to think of how one might know the future yet not want or be able to change it.
This only exists if there is one possible outcome, it’s possible for the future to be undetermined, and still have an omniscient being know all future possibilities. They would know the infinite possible outcomes of their choices, all the iterations, but would still have free will to decide which path is followed. In this scenario people still don’t have free will because of the omniscience problem.
Shouldn't they still know which path they will end up choosing to take?
I think there was this guy Calvin who already pointed that out.
Omnipotent means "all-powerful." Omniscient means "all-knowing."
Correct. But the Christian belief is that God is also omniscient. He is the three omnis: omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent
My favorite one lol 
I remember this one with the caption “but if you stop it it’s going to be unfair for the people that already died”
This is literally ~~1984~~ COVID19
Literally all Capitalism
Accurate
You are an omniscient and all powerful God.
You create someone who is tortured and killed in a war at the age of 2.
You are a benevolent God because you helped that person experience the full spectrum of what life has to offer.
The 2 year old did not acknowledge your supreme authority because you did not give it a developed brain to grasp the concept and so they burn in hell for eternity, never able to fully comprehend what happened to them. Their entire existence is one of suffering and unexplainable agony.
You are a benevolent God.
Praise be
If god is all-knowing, he knew I would grow up an atheist. If god is all-powerful, he hasn't done anything about it. So I guess he's okay with it.
Oh, no, it would be wrong for him to do anything to interfere with your free will! But it's totally fine for his worshipers to do so.
I took a quick poll of people tied to the tracks, and a majority reported that:
Hahaha, thank you.
Plus, he also knew you wouldn't accept him even before he created you.
God only kills people he knows will be evil
Just remember next time you see a make a wish kid that they are literally worse than Hitler
Dude blood cancer kids are worse than Hitler. Do you know how many times I'm watching Rick and Morty and I get interrupted by the make a wish foundation? It's infuriating.
I mean, Hitler was a bad guy but he did kill Hitler!
/s
Holy fuck that post is dripping with sarcastic and it still hurt to write.
Didn't Hitler killed a lot of gay men? How many gay men has the make a wish kid killed? Check mate, Atheists.
I brought a question like this up in a church. It was not well received.
No, because you define "evil" as "against your will", and "good" as "anything you do".
Stop judging me by how I play Rollercoaster Tycoon >:(
Plus, as said omnipotent creator you leave only highly questionable 'evidence' of your existence
He'S nOt EvIl, He SaVeS yOu!
You forgot the "they accept you as the creator, and you let the trolley hit anyway"
if only it was just death by trolley... but no no.. ists actually burning for the eternity in a fiery pit of lava and ash, you know, love.