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Everyone just loves untested forced updates. /s

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[-] [email protected] 187 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Funny, on release day, I got downvoted for pointing out they pulled a Blizzard/Overwatch 2.

Half-baked release with missing content and no new content? Check.

Release removes previous release, a game that was at one time a paid game? Check.

I feel like Valve gets way too much of a pass here on this for just being Valve.

[-] nyctre 103 points 7 months ago

Because it's nowhere near the same. Is it a bad release? Yes. Is it overwatch2 bad? No, not even close.

For the example: even tho it's true that CSGO used to be a paid game, it had been free for 5 years and before that it was 15$, not 40 or however much was ow.

Cs2 comes with a whole new engine which changes a bunch of things, unlike ow2 which is just an upgraded version of the same stuff; same errors, same stuff, basically.

OW2 also made everything in the game more expensive to buy. Etc.

[-] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

For the example: even tho it’s true that CSGO used to be a paid game, it had been free for 5 years and before that it was 15$, not 40 or however much was ow.

I think you're missing the point. It doesn't matter what the price point was. People paid for these games. The game going "free" isn't a valid justification for being like "its okay this product you paid for is being taken from you."

Would you feel the same about any other product in your life? Why is it justified when that something you paid for being taken from you is "a game."

Cs2 comes with a whole new engine which changes a bunch of things

Yeah, a lot less content than CS:GO and no new content. Seems like they could have let it bake longer before release.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

So at what point (in your opinion) does it become okay to discontinue a paid game? Are they supposed to still be running servers for games from 1997, so the 2 people who still remember it can occasionally log into the dead matchmaking service for nostalgia? Obviously this is a ridiculous example, but if your answer isn't "Yes, they should", then that means there's a point somewhere between that and now when it's okay to shut down the service, so where is that line?

[-] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They could have just left it in people's libraries with the option of people using community servers, something that a lot of gaming companies have traditionally done. They give the server software to the players, who then spin up community servers and keep the game going. There was literally nothing stopping them from just leaving a game that no longer functions in the Steam library.

You can still buy Titanfall on Steam and have it in your library and last I checked, multiplayer for that game hasn't worked in years. EA isn't pulling it from people's libraries because of that.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

That is literally what they've done. The default is CS2, but you can select a beta version in steam which enables CS:GO again. Matchmaking servers are all migrated to CS2, ofcourse, but community servers still work.

The reason they replaced CS:GO with CS2 instead of creating a seperate game is to not split the playerbase. Back when CS:Source released, the playerbase was essentially split in half, with many choosing to remain on CS 1.6, and it took a lot of effort to make CS:GO the standard.

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[-] Maven 10 points 7 months ago

Companies don't need to run servers for old games nobody plays but it is a crime against art and the people who worked on and enjoyed any of that material. All of the wonderful content made specifically for these games is just dead now while the company could've just released a way to self host the game. There is NO reason any game ever should die and any excuse otherwise is just feeding into the pockets of companies that want to kill history.

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

Is it a bad release?

Uh is it? It literally has the 2nd highest concurrent players of any game on steam ever. it made what, 40mil in a few hours. Sure some old players are a little mad, but that is literally unavoidable, and I don't think they are dropping the game, just complaining.

[-] nyctre 11 points 7 months ago

There's a difference between bad and unsuccessful. It's still a good game because despite all the people complaining about all the lost shit, most of it wasn't being used that much anyway. Plus, unlike OW2, cs2 will get back all the stuff lost back and then some. So yeah, it's gonna be fine.

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago

CS:GO is still there btw, under the beta options

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

I've been having a ball with CS2, and I think releasing at it as a separate game to CSGO would only fragment the player base.

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[-] [email protected] 166 points 7 months ago

It's a shame that Valve couldn't get Steam to issue them a new AppID, so they had to delete CSGO in order to put CS2 on the store. It was the only way.

[-] Ddhuud 59 points 7 months ago

If only valve had any power over what happens in steam... oh well...

[-] thantik 41 points 7 months ago

The reason they did this is because they had a huge hassle getting everyone to move over back when they moved CS to the source engine. They didn't want that hassle again, so CS2 is even installed in the CS:GO folder. This is the first time they've ever pulled anything like this, but the reasoning is because they didn't want to create ANOTHER esport division, they just wanted CS2 to replace CS:GO for esports.

[-] deus 10 points 7 months ago

I get why they'd do that but it's a shame we can't play CS:GO anymore like we can 1.6 and Source.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That was not the reason. The reason are the skins. I only own a few skins (and old cases) and they a worth over 500 €. There are a lot of players with an inventory worth thousands. So, what now, after you release a new iteration? Clone every player's Inventar? Forcefully transfer every Skin from CSGO to CS2? Or delete the old iteration. Valve did the last, same with Dota Reborn a few years ago.

We should condemn Valve for protecting their stupid gambling mechanism...

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago

no, cs2 was always made to be update over csgo

Just read the offical blog post, it's not a different game, but huge update over it

[-] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

I even remember them saying that they will update CS:GO with source engine 2... Which they literally did.

People got mad because it got a new name too for beta testing. "CS:GO 2"

[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

What? Oh no why deleting the old game

I bought CSGO in 2015 and never had the chance to actually install it, do I get some extra content in cs2 or everything is lost?

[-] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago

why deleting the old game

Because it's a multiplayer game and they don't want to split the userbase.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

If you bought CSGO, you automatically got access to prime mode when the game went free to play.

It's a separate matchmaking pool that puts you in servers filled with only other people who also bought the game, substantially reducing the likelihood of encountering cheaters and bots who just make endless free accounts.

This also carries over into CS2 as far as I'm aware.

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago

Hm, it’s playable for me

[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

Played hours on CS2 yesterday... ran perfectly fine on my Arch installation... haven't experienced these issues...

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

Ong why did they not just keep csgo on steam and release cs2 beside it or wait until cs2 is atleast playable on linux

[-] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago

To keep thousands of now irrelevant reviews, allow themselves to remonetize content and jumpstart a player base that now has no other choice but to switch.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

Tbf they're KEEPING ALL cosmetics unlike fucking overwatch

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

CSGO is still in CS2's beta channel on Steam as csgo_demo_viewer or something like that, but obviously limited to community servers/offline play, no official dedicated servers.

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[-] DrDominate 25 points 7 months ago

Why is everybody so upset at the CS2 update. It was my impression that besides a few new maps and menu updates that the primary change was the implementation of the source 2 engine. From what I've seen it doesn't appear to be that much different than the original CSGO I paid for back in the day. Or am I missing something?

[-] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago

It's just that it has less content than CSGO did in its late life. Some maps and game modes are missing, and some people with low-end computers are upset that they're getting poor frames.

[-] erev 15 points 7 months ago

I could manage 40-80 frames on CS:GO on my lil thinkpad. Trying CS2, I'm getting 10-30 frames. That'd be fine if it stayed closer to the top end of the spectrum, but it stutters so much that I can hardly play whatsoever. That combined with the millions of small changes they made that I have to get used to makes it a really unfun experience. Which is sad because CS:GO is one of my comfort games

[-] MintyAnt 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

CS:GO is one of my comfort games

comfort games

CS:GO

????????

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

I'm out of the loop, can somebody explain ?

[-] Donkter 40 points 7 months ago

The long awaited game Counter Strike 2 launched as an update to the old game Counter Strike: GO. Effectively deleting CS:GO from existence. Except that CS2 doesn't work on every computer CS:GO used to work on. Meaning (at least for now) lots of people have lost access to their favorite game.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Why do I feel like giving this a month will make all of this irrelevant?

but this is a crime against God, humanity, gaming and anime!!!!

I get it, your favorite game doesn't work because of a new release. It happens. Take a ticket and sit down for a while. Valve isn't omniscient about every Linux build in existence or possible glitch on the first week of release.

Hell, TF2 has been broken on arch for almost a month without bypassing a .dll file.

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[-] olutukko 16 points 7 months ago

Welp you can just use no steam servers. And hope they are not full of hackers. And you cant play it officially competetive

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[-] ghostdoggtv 11 points 7 months ago

Arms race is gone. Back to TF2 I guess?

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

On my Slackware64 system cs2 runs the same as cs:go or xonotic used to run

[-] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

I played a casual game and got kicked. If it was ranked, I would understand, but it was casual!

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Few month ago in CSGO I played a casual game for flying scout. Went in, and I got instantly kicked by the 5 players of the team. Turn out I felt into a farming bot lobby and all 10 players where farming bots

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