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He was supposed to have a cellmate but didn't have one that night. Guards were supposed to check in on him constantly but didn't do it that night. The surveillance camera malfunctioned that night. He had broken bones in his neck that often break when you're strangulated and rarely when hanging yourself.

You're telling me that it's more likely for these 4 events to happen at the same time than for someone rich and powerful to just pay a couple of people to have him killed?

Yep, Christianity is filled with stuff like this and art. Most churches contain a decent amount of art. Most famous of all being the Sistine chapel, ofc. Found out this year about The Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran. Which is basically the Pope's main church. Always assumed it would be the one in Vatican, but no, it's a different one, in Rome. It's a very impressive place. Huge statues. This being the best. St Bart is said to have been skinned alive, hence the knife and his face.

Yeah, I guess that's fair. Religion and history are so intertwined when it comes to this subject that it's easy to dismiss sources as biased, which is what's happening here. Still not convinced they should be dismissed in this case

So instead of taking the glory for themselves like pretty much all other humans they decide to preach about an imaginary friend? Meh... Between "guy who got lost in history" and "bunch of guys that raved about that one gf that went to a different school", I'll go with the former as the more plausible one.

I'll concede the fact that it's not the same level of proof as other figures, but all these people writing about him is more than we have about others.

Ah, okay. But then we can't really make a claim either way, can we? We don't really know who he was or who he claimed to be.

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

Which is from one of the original 4 gospels. Apparently there's evidence of it being written as early as 70AD. There's a couple other quotes I found in a link some other person linked in this thread but this one seems most direct.

One simple one was one apostle saying Jesus told them to go barefoot and with no staff and another saying he told them staff + sandals.

Don't believe in god either way, but if it's good enough for the majority of historians , then it's good enough for me. Not sure why you'd need more, but you do you.

What about all the other ones? There's dozens. Including ones where there's no room for interpretation like with those ones.

Exactly this. The person did exist. There's proof of that. It wasn't the son of god and didn't perform miracles, but he was real nonetheless.

Ofc there are. Unless they got destroyed someway or another. There was a guy named Jesus that was crucified by the romans and all that. There is proof of that. It's all the biblical stuff that there's no proof of.

What makes you say that about nice? Been there many times and I'm not a fan of the city, but for other reasons. I'd have imagined a far right shithole to be...whiter, if nothing else.