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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Police lie under oath, a lot

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Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago (18 children)

The arresting officer should be charged with Child Abuse.

We must end Qualified Immunity.

[–] DougHolland 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No charges, of course. Dennis Turner was only fired, which means his 'punishment' was enduring orientation as a new hire at whatever police department pays him now.

[–] Neon 1 points 1 year ago

not end it

apply it the way it was meant to be applied

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[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 73 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Best part of the article, it did not once name the cop.

But it had no problem sharing the name of the family.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cop's name is Dennis Turner.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dennis Turner, the cop who arrested a 6 year old girl?

Say it enough so SEO/Google picks up on it

[–] dragonflyteaparty 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You mean Dennis Turner, the cop who zip tied and arrested a six year old child? The same child who now has PTSD because of Dennis Turner?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dennis Turner physically abused a small child. Dennis Turner likes to touch children inappropriately. Dennis Turner feels no remorse for terrorizing school kids. Dennis Turner is a threat to young boys and girls.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not sure google bombs work anymore but I do know that Dennis Turner was so shit at his job and had such little humanity left after his training, that he thought putting a 6 year old in zip ties was the best way to handle her.

While I'm here, let me toss another search result for the murderer Philip Brailsford, who now has a comfy monthly pension as a result of murdering an unarmed drunk man who was laying face down pleading for his life, because the man reached to pull up his pants, which were falling down due to the sadistic game of simon says he was made to perform for the murderer Philip Brailsford and other police on the scene.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Florida gets more news because sunshine laws makes it so that essentially all police encounters are public information, and is easily one of the best ways to get clickbait for articles.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] Hackerman_uwu 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This point is made each time Florida gets up to something nutty. Thing is though that these laws do not mean that this shit doesn’t happen. It’s not a law to create fiction, the laws make actual events public. People should stop citing these laws as reasons the news isn’t so bad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

never claimed it wasn't. it can happen everywhere, its just in Florida its made public.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Wtf is going in florida

Rising fascism.

Ask me about Texas next.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 25 points 1 year ago

Did the grown adult cop consider putting their adult-sized knee on this 6yo's neck to zip-tie them?

[–] reagansrottencorpse 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Don't just name them, check their hard drive too. This sounds like something they did because they wanted to, not because it was warranted in any way.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

What the fuck, this is horrible. The bodycam video was heartbreaking. That poor child was terrified!

[–] Siegfried 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do we see this shit outside of america?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Police zip tying small children? fuck no!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Maybe a loose fit for this particular case, but something to be aware of for people who haven't heard of it. After you are, you notice it over and over.

The Adultification of Black Children

‘They saw me as calculating, not a child’: how adultification leads to black children being treated as criminals

[–] Squizzy 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got to the punching a 12 year old in the head and left, America needs to get it's shit together.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Problem is about half the country either doesn't believe this problem exists at all, or doesn't want anyone to learn about it because learning about how we treat black folks might make white kids feel bad about themselves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/09/18/south-carolina-teacher-ta-nehisi-coates-racism-lesson/

[–] DougHolland 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Belongs on the sidebar — thanks. :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

FYI Sidebar link to this seems broken - I noticed only because I went looking for an easy link and didn't want to have to dig out this comment lol. :-)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Another region locked article :( can't view in Europe

[–] Squizzy 4 points 1 year ago

I think all you need is the headline, nothing in the article would be relevant to somewhere with freedom and common sense.

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