FOP is against it? Sounds like a great reason to vote FOR it.
this post was submitted on 09 Sep 2023
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99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
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Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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I don't want FOP goddammit I'm a Dapper Dan man!
"Watch your language young fella, its a public market. Now if you want Dapper Dan I can order it for you.. have it in a couple of weeks"
Well ain't this place just a geographical oddity: two weeks from everywhere.
Can't wait for the day when smelling MJ isn't probable cause to ruin your car.
isn’t probable cause ruin your ~~car~~ life.
Won't crime go down if it's legal?
pretty sure that's the case in the places where it has already been decriminalized or legalized outright; plus, it frees the resources and manpower that departments and agencies devote to the heinous crimes of weed possession and use.
the police, on the other hand, would lose easy targets to detain, abuse, harass, beat up, or shoot, all while hiding behind the flimsiest excuse and the easiest lie of 'i smelled weed', and enjoying the benefits of qualified immunity that comes from such claims.
Yup, just about the easiest targets of all. Your average cop would much, much rather arrest a stoner in dreadlocks than bother with genuine bad guys.
They won't be able to pull over random black people because 'they smelled marijuana', and obviously every one of those was on their way to commit a crime.
Guess they'll have to smell fentanyl, which has no odor.
No they can't use that excuse, because the cops are already faking fentanyl overdoses after "smelling" it and having panic attacks because they don't actually know shit about it and believe their own propaganda.
Ha — I attended a neighborhood meeting several months back where a policeman spoke, and described a bust where he'd "smelled fentanyl." It's amazing how much they don't know.
It's like the Battle of Wits scene in Princess Bride.
What you do not smell is fentanyl powder.
I never really heard of police/crime incidents in my hometown involving weed before or after weed became legal in Washington. So I'd assume there really hasn't been a noticable change, which is still better than the fear mongering that crime will increase upon legalizing weed.
In illegal times and places, getting busted for weed is/was so common it only made the news when celebrities are/were caught. Can't much speak to the here and now, but I grew up in (suffice to say) an earlier decade of the illegal era, and dope busts were incredibly common.
Yes and so will personal property confiscations (cash, vehicles, etc) I.e. police budget bonuses
can we be real?
Police training is basically a diploma mill. It's a joke in most places. You've got people that barely passed high school in some cases, going to a community college with next to zero entry standards, doing this training that often contains no real legal courses.
They don't know shit about the subject matter.
“But then we won’t have easy justification to go off the rails!”
If you consider marijuana a drug, then yeah, drug use will go up, dumbasses, that's the point.
If you consider marijuana use criminal, then yeah criminal activity will increase, dumbasses, that's the point.
Follow the money
Maybe theft of potato chips.
Aggravated assault on ice cream.
Yeah I'll let y'all know the next time the FOP manages to influence my opinions on basically anything. Oh they said it's bad? Then it's most likely fine and they've got ulterior motives.
All im hearing is police are pro-crime
well, they do have a vested interest on keeping at least the perceived crime rate high. otherwise they lose their budgets for cosplaying special forces, or even their jobs and the 'privileges' that go along with them.
They are more concerned that easy drug busts and overtime will go down.
Seems like a great reason to vote yes!
Who's with stupid?