Best to not drink any soft drinks
this post was submitted on 07 Sep 2023
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Yes, hard liquors are much better.
Vodka it is
... Wait
Finland makes vodka. As well as a crapload of other countries.
Yes, but if it isn't from the Vodka region of Russia, it's just sparkling potato juice.
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Again: The Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund still have active investments in Russia.
Where is the outrage for them?
According to this Norwegian publication in an article published January 31st 2023:
the Norwegian oil fund still holds hundreds of millions worth of shares in petroleum companies like Gazprom, Novatek, Bashneft and Lukoil
Even if the value of their investments lower, they still haven’t pulled out any from Russia. The investments could be worth very little, but they still have something invested in Russia.
Norwegian Government on February 28, 2022, ordered the Oil Fund to freeze all investments in Russia and prepare a plan for divesting with the goal of totally exiting the Russian stock market
What’s stopping them?
The value of their investments is lower because they've been pulling out of Russia. The article you sent says they've slashed the value down by 90%, and they're still going. Liquidating hundreds of millions in stocks while getting a decent value out of them takes time, and so far they've done a pretty good job selling off 90% of their Russian holdings with just a few more millions to go
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I mean, the US has been helping Saudi Arabia starve and destroy Yemen for eight years now. Aren't we also a sponsor of war?
All the more reason to stay away from soda
Also:
- Don't import Coke from Mexico--the anchor bottler also has a stake in Heineken (soup)
- Don't drink Dr. Pepper until Mondelez quits Russia or DPS
Mondelez is way more than DP. Brands under Mondelez include
Cadbury
Grenade
Halls
Oreo
Among others:
Heineken recently sold all of their Russian assets
This is what I love about the free market. You can change the world by drinking the right sodas!
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Finnish parliament will no longer carry Pepsi products as the American soft drink giant continues to support the Russian economy by continuing its operations in the aggressor country, Finnish news outlet Yle reported on Sept. 5, citing the manager of the parliament’s restaurant.
Pepsi products that had already been received have been removed from the shelves.
Earlier, MP Tuomas Kettunen demanded that the parliament building stop selling Pepsi products.
Pepsi and Mars were added to the international sponsors of war list on Sept. 1 by Ukraine’s National Agency on Corruption Prevention (NACP) for continuing to operate in Russia after the invasion and continuing to pay taxes to the aggressor state’s budget.
Earlier, the media reported that Mondelez, Mars, and PepsiCo recorded a significant increase in sales in Russia in 2022.
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So what sodas CAN I drink?
IDK, I guess you could get a soda stream /s
Owned by Pepsi...
And made in Israel
Double whammy
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I have a genuine question that maybe somebody with more economic knowledge can educate me in:
How is continuing the sale in Russia helping Russia? As I understand Russia is gaining money on the sales taxes, etc. but the rest of the earnings will go to the US parent company, which cannot be taxed directly by Russia. If Pepsi backs out, wouldn't operations just be replaced by a rebranded russian company, where all of the earnings would be under russian "sphere of influence"?
I genuinely do not understand why Pepsi backing out is considered bad for Russia. I thought countries generally prefer national companies over foreign ones.
Because Pepsi doesn't just manifest out of nowhere in Russia. They are brining need for supplies, transportation, repair, maintenance etc.
In other words economic movement and income for the country.
Could some other fully Russian company take over the same thing? Maybe, but not without startup investment and knowledge. All of that isn't free, and if an economy is unstable, no-one is going to commit money into it.
Could some other fully Russian company take over the same thing?
That's how Fanta became a thing after Coca Cola withdrew from Germany in WWII.
Using that example, yeah there's an economic cost to doing that. They may not be able to get the ingredients they could get before and would have to do some work in coming up with a new recipe with the ingredients they have available. Figure out supply chains for the new ingredients, all that kind of thing.
Also consider what happened with Fanta after the war. Coca Cola returned to Germany and resumed ownership of their bottling plants. "Oh people actually like this Fanta thing you came up with while we were gone? Yeah that's cool... we own that now."
How much is someone going to invest in a company that is operating in a bottling plant owned by Pepsi, who may return and take it all over again after Putin is gone?
Maybe, but not without startup investment and knowledge. All of that isn't free, and if an economy is unstable, no-one is going to commit money into it.
At least the knowledge is already there. Pepsi is not going to take the workers in Russia away with them. And as far as I know the investment is mostly the cost of buying the assets from the western company. For example the russian McDonalds branch just reopened with a new name at the same locations.
Not all the knowledge is there. Some ingredients are imported, in order to protect trade secrets and ensure global consistency.
After Russia took over McDonald's, customers did notice a change in how the food tasted.
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Your question is basically "why are embargoes effective"
Collectively shunning an economy cripples it, and it's most effective when widely adopted.
Pepsi should be ashamed of their actions.
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Maybe Im dense but why does the Finnish government carry a soda anyway?
Because the building has a staff cafeteria and a restaurant, as one would expect from an office space of that size.
At least here in the Finnish defense forces all conscripts can buy Pepsi from soda machines. Iirc some government events/buildings have had Pepsi too
Didn't you see that commercial? They're the number one way to stop wars.
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