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Was there an alternative adjective to "clockwise" other than "the rotation you take around left hand"?

Also, how did all watch companies around the world agree on what the direction of "clockwise" is?

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[–] [email protected] 196 points 1 year ago (12 children)

"Sunwise", and for the exact same reason.

Clocks go clockwise because their predecessors did. What were their predecessors?

Sundials.

How does the shadow go around a sundial? Well, sunwise, of course.

Counterclockwise, as said in another comment, was "widdershins", from a Middle Low German phrase meaning "against the way".

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I find it interesting that in Swedish the opposite of sunwise is "motsols", i.e. counter sunwise or literally "against the sun". Sunwise is called "medsols", lit. "with the sun".

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Widdershins needs to make a comeback. It's a cool word

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am trying to picture it, but I think the sunwise convention only works in the Northern hemisphere.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep - in the northern hemisphere a sundial shadow will move from west to east in a clockwise fashion; in the southern hemisphere it still goes west to east but does so moving anticlockwise.

[–] XeroxCool 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if I'm thinking about this correctly, people between ~20N and ~20S latitudes will have it reverse throughout the year and and sometimes be a straight line.

Wait, it's all anglo-centric?

[–] EldVrangr 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] southbayrideshare 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I somehow read this comment in the voice of the cleric performing the "mawwiage" ceremony in Princess Bride.

Cleric: "Sunwise...." long, uncomfortable pause. "And for the exact same weason." Pause. "Clocks go clockwise because their pwedecessors did... and what were their pwedecessors?"

Humperdink: "Look, can we hurry this up?"

Cleric: "Sundials."

Humperdink: "Just skip to the end!"

Cleric: "Countewclockwise... as said in another comment... would be... widdershins."

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[–] Synthead 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes but, how did people know that time went sunwise before the sun?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes but, how did people know that time went sunwise before the sun?

Back before the solar system was fully formed, it was called "gaswise".

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, clocks are just mechanical sundials. Before clockwise, there was sunwise (or deosil), and clocks' movements are based off of the movement of a shadow across a sundial.

[–] Delusional 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Used to be sunwise and counter-sunwise.

[–] Daft_ish 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, but how about before the sun?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Galaxywise and counter-galaxywise

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

does that mean that "clockwise" in the southern hemisphere is backwards?

[–] hglman 26 points 1 year ago

Yes, when you are in the northern hemisphere, a sundial shadow falls to the north of the gnomon (the thing that makes a shadow). This makes the shadow move from the northwest to north to northeast over a day, which is clockwise. In the southern hemisphere, the shadow from the gnomon falls to the south, so it starts in the southwest and moves to the south and then southeast, which is anticlockwise.

The most obvious way to see this is the photo of the sundial in Perth, where the hours run anticlockwise.

https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1605415745093083137?lang=en https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundial#In_the_Southern_Hemisphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundial#/media/File:Sundial_in_Supreme_Court_Gardens,_Perth.jpg

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[–] OldManBOMBIN 99 points 1 year ago (20 children)

A guy I know owns this clock, which basically proves that everything in life is pointless and arbitrary:

[–] kadu 34 points 1 year ago

I find this deeply unsettling, please delete

[–] Buddahriffic 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I might be evil because now I want a clock like that only with the 1 starting where the 4 is.

[–] OldManBOMBIN 10 points 1 year ago

I don't think you're evil, but there is definitely something wrong with you. lol

[–] brianorca 8 points 1 year ago

It wouldn't be that hard. Once you get a clock like this with the reverse movement, you can just open the face glass, remove the hands, and print a new graphic for the background.

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[–] 1luv8008135 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weird, this feels easier to read. Less grating somehow.

[–] OldManBOMBIN 9 points 1 year ago (13 children)
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[–] Disregard3145 90 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Turnwise and widdershins. I read it in a book once.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sunwise, as it was based on the movement of the sun during day (in the Northern hemisphere). As watch faces were modelled after sundials, sunwise and clockwise describe the same direction.

Turnwise is a word invented by Pratchett for a book, but it's clearly based on sunwise. He also used widdershins in his book, which is indeed the unmodified antonym to sunwise.

[–] megasin1 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not just any book. The discworld series. It's the direction the disc rotates! He has so many easy to miss spots of genius. Amongst many easy to see spots of genius

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I have found my people.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Deosil (sunwise) was the opposite of widdershins (against the usual). Both had a wide range of uses too, not just directionality.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I always heard it as 'deosil and widdershins'

[–] CaptainBlagbird 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a non-native English reader, I now am not sure if this is a Pratchett reference or if these are actual round world terms...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Pratchett's just using real-world (albeit archaic) terms: widdershins and deosil.

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[–] oktux 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good question!

The real answer seems to be "right" and "left".

Source: https://english.stackexchange.com/a/174112

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[–] fubo 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine you're in the Northern Hemisphere and you face east toward the rising sun. Over the course of the day, the sun will seem to move to the south, and then set in the west. This forms a "sunwise" turn, which is what we now call "clockwise" because we made clocks in imitation of sundials.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In Swedish it's called medsols and motsols. The iteral translation is with the sun and against the sun.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Deosil, which is the direction the shadow on a sundual moves (in the Northern Hemisphere).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

This turned out to be a surprisingly fascinating question lol.

[–] VoilaChihuahua 10 points 1 year ago

As someone who still confuses these "turn it around that way" - jiggles hand in vague motion- "oops no the other way" usually works just fine.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

To your second question, the direction of clockwise is mostly influenced by sundials. In the northern hemisphere the shadows move in a clockwise direction, and so the early clocks made in the northern hemisphere mimicked that. In the southern hemisphere it's naturally reversed, but because so much of that hemisphere is either empty ocean or colonized lands, the clocks move in the same direction. Bolivia had a sort of flash in the pan moment in the news about a decade back for reversing their clock direction on a big central clock (think like big ben) as a way of staking their independence from a colonial past.

On the first question, I have no idea. But in Sweden they use terms that translates to "with the sun" and "against the sun" but I don't remember what they are without googling it.

[–] Omgarm 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Semi related: QI uploaded this bit the other day about an aboriginal tribe that can flawlessly pinpoint north/east/south/west.

https://youtu.be/0aAcYZPpfG0?si=E3xVhFcsCl8gDZpo

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[–] kozel 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In czech, we have a phrase "jak sa kráje chleba" (same way as a bread is sliced). Problem is, that (at least in my social group) nobody knows, wether it means clockwise or anticlockwise, as everybody slices the bread differently.

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