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[–] DragonAce 333 points 11 months ago (30 children)

Why are these assholes so against helping people? These fuckers are nothing but greedy sociopaths.

[–] [email protected] 197 points 11 months ago (11 children)

conservatives view social hierarchy as a necessity which must be enforced. if you’re at the bottom, you deserve to be there, and if you’re there, you suffer because you deserve it, and because you’re at the bottom, you deserve to suffer. cruelty is the point, and without it, there can’t be the joy of their success.

anything else, to them, is profane and must be fought/destroyed. anyone who tries to climb above their position must be punished.

relevant videos:

The Alt-Right Playbook: Always a Bigger Fish

Endnote 3: The Origins of Conservatism

[–] ChocoboRocket 105 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

A Conservative is someone who can't enjoy their dinner without knowing someone else is hungry

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[–] Lawdoggo 38 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The only thing baffling about any of this is that somehow, millions of ordinary, working/middle-class Americans believe that this system benefits them more than the alternative.

[–] Invisinak 21 points 11 months ago (3 children)

it's not baffling at all. the American dream is literally everyone is a millionaire or will be one day. conservatives are the only ones buying into that dream still so they're trying to live like a millionaire now so that when the money finally shows up they've done their part to help their new millionaire friends along the way.

The problem is they don't understand that the likelihood of them becoming even moderately wealthy is pretty slim and they're too blind to see that voting to hurt the poor is voting to hurt themselves in their current situation.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I've always regarded that episode of the playbook as especially astute.

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[–] FlyingSquid 64 points 11 months ago (8 children)

"I'm not getting debt relief, so why should they" is their only argument. They're just greedy.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago

And many of them got covid bailouts and never had to pay a penny back and do not think even for a moment that their actions are hypocritical

[–] RojoSanIchiban 28 points 11 months ago

And we literally have congress critters that lived on ~~welfare~~ debt relief programs and want to tell others to pull themselves up by the bootstraps.

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[–] brimnac 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If people can organize instead of work overtime…

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[–] Nightwingdragon 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Along with the usual "the cruelty is the point" responses, I'd like to remind people that this is a direct strategy championed by Mitch McConnell, who has been championing this strategy long before Biden came along.

First, McConnell believes that the GOP should not have any policy positions on anything at all. If you have a policy position, that position is subject to criticism. Rather than champion policies that he fully admits would be unpopular with the voters, McConnell believes in simply pointing to the Democrat policies, pointing out the flaws in those policies, and just making vague promises that the GOP can do better without actually defining how. Ever seen the meme of the guy tapping his own head while saying something profoundly stupid? That's exactly what this is. Picture McConnell doing that while saying "Can't be criticized for your terrible ideas if you just don't have any ideas at all!"

The other part, also championed by McConnell and others, is that no matter what it is, if it originally was a Democrat idea, then a Republican must be against it at all costs. Not only must they be against it, they must treat every Democrat policy as a threat to American society as we know it. Take a look at Romneycare in Massachusetts. A healthcare bill created by a Republican that was considered widely successful and basically the cornerstone to Obamacare. But the second a Democrat suggesting nationalizing the program, it was suddenly the worst program in the world that would collapse our healthcare system and lead to death panels.

And sad to say, but it's been a very effective strategy for them. It's easy for the GOP to get their voters to blame Democrats for problems because deflecting blame is easy, and people are always looking for someone to blame for whatever problems they have in life. People tend not to do their own research or critical thinking and often just prefer to be "told" what the "right" answer is, especially if what they're told jives with their own personal worldview. If voters want to believe that Democrats are the root of all evil, and their elected leaders are saying that Democrats are the root of all evil, it's not much of a stretch to get them to believe that anything or any ideas associated with Democrats are also evil and must be eradicated.

It's all about maintaining political power through obstruction. Doesn't matter how bad your own policies are just as long as you continue to make sure voters believe that the alternative is even worse.

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[–] FordBeeblebrox 36 points 11 months ago

When you view life as a zero sum game it turns you into a real selfish cunt.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

They've become so focused on political "points" and afraid of the other "team" scoring a "point" that they're willing to do anything, regardless of the optics.

Because they don't stop and look at the bigger picture - it's just political capital they can push around or dangle as a carrot in front of voters for future elections.

[–] FuglyDuck 19 points 11 months ago

Because either they got theirs and fuck everyone else. Or, they never got theirs and fuck everyone who might get theirs.

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[–] sYnoxjj 203 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Imagine there is a group that does everything in it's power to block every positive change there could be.

Imagine further that the same group also does everything in it's power to change every positive thing into a negative.

Now imagine that >48% of people vote for that group.

And finally imagine you in a place like that.

Honestly, unimaginable.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 11 months ago (4 children)

That's why it drives me nuts when people get a cynical and say both parties are the same or that your vote doesn't matter. Pay attention to how the different parties vote!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

"both parties" is just code for right wing asshole trying to skew the vote

[–] IchNichtenLichten 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Enlightened centrists are the worst. At least you know what you're getting with republicans.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They just want to hurt people. Imagine voting to keep people indebted. That's them.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting."

A real actual person said that. They walk among us.

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[–] FlyingSquid 154 points 11 months ago (1 children)

These greedy motherfuckers don't want anyone to be helped unless they profit somehow.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think it'd be more accurate these authoritarian motherfuckers don't want anyone to be anything other than their slaves.

Cato Institute was cited in the article, and, being a fervent right-wing think tank hater, they don't talk about profit. Instead, they'll argue for some shit like short term limited duration insurance because they're less regulated than other health insurance plans. This falls in line with their "De-regulate Everything" argumentative scheme. In other words, it's perfectly a-okay if companies can rip people off without federal oversight.

But for programs that in any way help other people...well...they're unconstitutional or an abuse of executive power.

It's interesting (except not at all, because they're all hypocrites) how they haven't said anything against DeSantis's use of executive power in Florida. Somehow, everything he does is constitutional and within the reach of executive power.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 11 months ago (28 children)

Trillion dollar budget for the military industrial complex? Money well spent! A single dime spent to help taxpayers? Socialism!

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[–] Saneless 89 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Sounds good, I'll keep voting for the party that hates US citizens

-Fucking dipshits who think they're doing anything other than volunteer work for billionaires

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[–] reddig33 87 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Just. Zero. The. Interest.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I know so many people that have no issues paying what they borrowed, but at this point, they've already paid back the initial amount and still owe more than they initially borrowed and it's fucking ridiculous.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

I would be okay if it were set to a mandatory percentage, like 2%.

It's federally backed so the risk to lenders is incredibly low. What right do they have to charge some of these new students 9 percent interest on a loan that the government is paying them to give?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yep, cap education cost if you don't want to make it free, have the federal government provide zero interest loans if states don't want to do it, reap the reward of having a more educated population, including better salaries which means more taxes paid which compensates for the zero interest loans.

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[–] PunnyName 86 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The "I got mine, fuck you" crowd really hates progress.

[–] HerrBeter 21 points 11 months ago (9 children)

The student loan interest rates are exuberant, while I support the nullification of times past, I'd also like to see the core issue being taken care of

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[–] A_Toasty_Strudel 78 points 11 months ago (5 children)

TL;DR They tried to stop it and FAILED.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How many of these conservatives tried to cancel the Trump and Bush tax cuts for the wealthy? Fuck conservatives!!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well right because those clearly trickle down as you can see by the constant record-breaking wealth inequality.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Stop voting for Republicans. They don't want the government helping students and workers. All they have is hating on people who are woke. The Woke are minorities, LGBTQ, and non Christians.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago (6 children)

We should sue the government because of all the tax cuts for the rich if this is how conservatives feel the need to act

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

i should sue for all the ppp loans that were forgiven. how unfair is that. rich people got loans forgiven yet you or i cannot.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago

So where are all of the conservative "if Biden actually wanted to cancel student loan debt he would just do it" people now

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (10 children)

They just need to make student loans dischargeable in bankruptcy. High earners who can afford their student loans will be dismissed like any bankruptcy court applicant who makes enough money to pay their debts, and the people who are actually struggling will get relief at the penalty of 7 years very bad credit.
Bankruptcy works for every other kind of debt, it was written into the Constitution by the founding fathers, and it's the perfect system designed exactly for problems like the student loan crisis.

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[–] iamnotdave 31 points 11 months ago

I just want to say I was surprised and so fucking happy when I got a notification that a payment did not go through for my student loan and logged into my loans website and seeing that the 7100 I had left was suddenly paid off.

[–] eran_morad 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

These shitcunts are reveling in the idea of making people poor & miserable.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It was never a secret and yet the poor and miserable keep voting for them.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Two conservative groups are asking a federal court to block the Biden administration’s plan to cancel $39 billion in student loans for more than 800,000 borrowers.

In a lawsuit filed Friday in Michigan, the groups argue that the administration overstepped its power when it announced the forgiveness in July, just weeks after the Supreme Court struck down a broader cancellation plan pushed by President Joe Biden.

The Education Department called the suit “a desperate attempt from right wing special interests to keep hundreds of thousands of borrowers in debt.”

It’s part of a wave of legal challenges Republicans have leveled at the Biden administration’s efforts to reduce or eliminate student debt for millions of Americans.

Under the one-time fix, past periods in forbearance were also counted as progress toward Public Service Loan Forgiveness, a program that offers cancellation after 10 years of payments while working in a government or nonprofit job.

Biden’s action was illegal, the lawsuit says, because it wasn’t authorized by Congress and didn’t go through a federal rulemaking process that invites public feedback.


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[–] lennybird 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I'm sure that just like overturning Roe this will bode well for Republicans next year lol

[–] htrayl 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The number of times I've seen people complain about Biden not doing anything about student loans begs to differ. Republicans drag their feet or block, and democrats suffer for not doing enough.

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