Definitely ironic to me that there's so much fear about EV batteries spontaneously combusting. And in the end, one of the largest recalls for spontaneous combustion is from an oil regulator in an ICEV 😅
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You aren't wrong, but at the same time, I'm not buying a Hyundai/Kia ev anytime soon either. They constantly have electrical problems with fire risks.
And considering that they've buried stuff before (metal shavings in their ICE engines like 4 years ago), I could easily see an EV wiring problem they're sitting on lest they destroy their standing in the EV market. Not that EV fires are actually much worse than gas car fires (a little harder to put out, but far less explodey (gas is also hard to put out, just not as hard.))
I think gasoline fires are easier to put out because basically every fire station everywhere has the equipment/chemicals to deal with an oil/gas fire while not everywhere has the material and training to put out a large battery fire
Yet.
At one time, fire stations didn't have the knowhow and equipment to put out gasoline fires, but now cars are everywhere and they do. Give it time and even the most podunk volunteer fire station will have stuff to deal with vehicle battery fires.
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Dont forget the fact you can drive off with a usb cable as a key.
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The recalls cover certain 2023 and 2024 Hyundai Palisades, as well some 2023 Tucson, Sonata, Elantra and Kona vehicles. Affected Kias include the 2023 Soul and Sportage as well as some 2023 and 2024 Seltos vehicles.
Direct links to the recalls
For Hyundai:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCAK-23V526-5528.pdf
For Kia:
The recalls cover certain 2023 and 2024 Hyundai Palisades, as well some 2023 Tucson, Sonata, Elantra and Kona vehicles. Affected Kias include the 2023 Soul and Sportage as well as some 2023 and 2024 Seltos vehicles.
I once saw someone refer to Kia and Hyundai as the "fast fashion" of the auto industry. Now I can't help but look at them and see h&m. It looks trendy, and it's great for one or two wears, and then it falls apart
I've had 3 Hyundais and they were all great for years. Never had any problems with them and figured it'd be my go-to affordable car.
But then my car got stolen (and recovered) because of their cost-cutting bullshit and they've been fuckin awful to deal with. It was at the dealership for 5+ weeks and on the day I was supposed to pick it up, they broke a part and wanted me to pay more to fix it. Then, because I was an idiot who didn't test it before paying, I found out that my remote start now sets off my alarm. And they told me it's not their problem.
So yeah, fuck Hyundai.
I mean, that sounds more like a shitty dealership problem?
Except for the whole thing where they removed a pretty crucial security feature which led to a MAJOR car theft trend causing a shortage of replacement parts. And that they didnt plan to do anything about it until the government stepped in.
As for the remote start, it was installed at the dealership when I bought the car but no one will service it because it's third party (they didn't make Hyundai remote starts for my car when I bought it)
Yeah the dealership sucked but Hyundai fumbled hard with the immobilizers and now there's another significant recall a few months later. I'm off the Hyundai train.
I bought a Sonata years ago and it ran great for a few years then it just started dying, burning oil with blue smoke when I start the car, really sluggish acceleration, and if I turn eco mode on the car basically has a stroke and sounds like it's going to explode if I try and get on a highway.
I took it in and they told me there's nothing wrong with it quite literally while a blue cloud of smoke shot out the exhaust when they were telling me it's fine. They refuse to acknowledge anythings wrong.
Had to get a part replaced which meant they had to remove the dashboard to do it, realize after I leave when I go to get gas that the gas cap won't open nor the trunk. So I assume they forgot to plug back in those buttons (they are on the same wiring harness), they tell me it was the fuse and it's either $75 to replace the fuse or $150 to diagnose it. It was working fine before they had it and I have no aftermarket mods, have never touched the wiring, and never touched the battery, but they just did so it makes sense that within this short period of time the cause of the fuse is from their work. It's not something that I can prove but it's the most logical reason and fuses are dirt cheap but nope, they not just denied it they then tried to gaslight me.
First he said it was an old fuse and that's why it went, I'm not electrical engineer and fuses can corrode this one was clean and fuses don't just go bad they have too high a voltage traveling and they melt that's their purpose. So after that explanation the guy told me that they never had to touch the dashboard so it couldn't be them and goes into this very detailed technical explanation of how they can do what they needed to do (replace the steering wheel coupler). I told him I watched a YouTube video from their official techs showing how the part is replaced and the entire steering wheel column has to be dropped out and/or removed to replace it, one of their techs happens by and we ask him and he confirms what I said. So now the goal post moves again and he tells me that they did have to remove the dashboard and interact with those systems but by simply pushing the button in the manner the system is designed for the system will short out. I point out that sounds like a design flaw and should be covered under the warranty, they told me it's not.
I was literally thinking of buying a new car to get Android auto as my sonata was prior to that addition, but when their own techs use the argument that their cars are garbage so they shouldn't be responsible there's no way I'd buy Hyundai again so now I'm waiting on availability to buy a new Toyota. So yeah, really fuck Hyundai and Hyundai of Trenton especially.
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Except it doesn't if you actually pay attention to reliability data that consistently puts them in the top ten of all manufacturers, sometimes higher depending on model.
Not the best, but not the level of trash you're talking about here.
I have been wanting a new car for about 6 years now... money issues keep me from doing it. Amazingly my 16 year old car that I've had the entire 16 years is still kicking. Anyway for the last 6 years I've always said I am going to buy a Hyundai Sonata next, at least a used one. Every year that goes by the more and more I hear terrible things about them... at this point I really don't think I can invest in them. How are they really screwing up this badly for so long? Fix your stuff! At this point they had to have lost trust in a large amount of its customers. The sad thing is I honestly have no idea what car I want now because none of them looked that good for the same price as the Sonata.
Get a second-hand Camry.
Mazdas are really good now. under Ford they were just okay
Doesn't look like they have a sedan? It's the only type of car I am looking for. The hatchback one does look nice, I am just not a fan of that style.
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At least they issued a recall this time. People can whine about Ford all day but they do proper recalls these days.
Though their other solution to the lack of ignition kill switch problem allowing people to steal your car with a USB cable was to send out a steering wheel lock to people (like the Club people used back in the 90s)
Yep. And now they're facing a class action about the charge ports overheating on their EVs because those suing know that Hyundai Motor Group won't recall to properly fix the issue. Makes you think the warranty isn't worth the paper it's written on.
The recall doesn't include the 2022 Santa Fe but that's what AP uses for the photo... Great job AP. Must be too difficult to find a picture of one of the 8 other models that are actually affected.
Between this and the theft issues, it's not looking good for these guys.
You'd have to be an idiot to purchase one of their cars after all this
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Just pull a Tesla move here and say it's a feature and it doesn't happen often.
People should buy whatever they want but I love my Niro. I can drop the seats and throw my bike in the back really easily and my commute is short enough that I've barely even used fuel the past 3 months.
Here's some advice; Don't but Hyundais or Kias. And especially don't buy Chevys. Awful garbage vehicles.
Don't know your evidence for that comment but the Kia I drive is a very good and reliable car.
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A year ago, I was certain that my next vehicle would be a Kia or Hyundai EV. I have a 2017 Accent and have enjoyed driving it.
Then came the spike in thefts after it became clear they never installed immobilizers in the vehicles. That itself wasn't enough to make me lose faith in them, but their response (or lack thereof) did. Instead of quickly fixing the issue so that the thefts would rapidly halt, they blamed TikTok and charged owners up to $2K to install window break sensors.
That didn't work, so they waited a few months and then released a software update for most vehicles (except mine) that supposedly would mitigate the issue by requiring the driver to unlock the doors with the key fob. As drivers quickly discovered, that fix also didn't work for all vehicles.
I've got zero faith in them anymore. They could have come out ahead by pulling a Tylenol - admit the mistake and rapidly recall the vehicles so that immobilizers can be installed. Deflecting never works.
For the record, 96% of all 2014-2021 vehicles not made by Hyundai or Kia came with immobilizers. Every vehicle made by them which had a keyed ignition did not come with one.
Same for me. The lack of action is really the deal breaker. Sure, lapses happen with manufacturing or QA (not having an immobilizer by default is just straight up bad though), but what separates the good ones from the bad ones is that they jump into action and fix it; not delay and provide band-aid solutions. I'm just waiting to use up the pre-paid maintenance package I purchased then I'm trading mine in for a Honda.
They're pretty solid budget cars these days. The choice between a Chevy and a Hyundai is obvious.
I would drive a motorized unicycle before buying a Chevy.
Same
Used to drive a garbage Tucson. After a couple years everything started to break
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My partner's old hyundai genesis always "smelled" like the engine had been running "hot" despite being fully OEM with no mods. Any time she drove back from a store and parked in the garage, I could go out an 20 later and smell that hot metal engine. Never had another car that smelled like the engine was running hot/hard.
Car only lasted ten years before the timing chain slipped off the pulley and destroyed the engine block. We'll never own another hyundai/kia product ever again that's for sure
Timing belt gets inspected at 60k miles and I believe replaced at 90k. I would assume belt slipping off at 10 years would be due to lack of proper maintenance.
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Do you mean timing belt? (Chains don't go on pulleys) You're supposed to change those... That's just called not maintaining your vehicle
It was a timing chain - it failed somehow and destroyed the engine. It's a well known issue with this specific engine block which is why they stopped making them and they're impossible to find new-in-crate engines for this car.
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Need to show this to my wife she loves her Hyundai even though it is a piece of shit. Runs like shit everytime you fill it with gas.
My partner loved that car, I told them constantly "it's a beautiful looking car, but it's a hyundai" - damn I hated being right when that engine failed
Those child workers don't work as well as they used to!
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