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I hate people who treat them like some toys and fantasize about them. That makes me think they are in some sort of death cult. That they found socially acceptable way to love violence.

I would still get one for safety but it is a tool made for specifically one thing. To pierce the skin and rip through the inner organs of a person.

They can serve a good purpose but they are fundamentally grim tools of pain and suffering. They shouldn’t be celebrated and glorified in their own right, that is sick. They can be used to preserve something precious but at a price to pay.

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[–] kerrigan778 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

There are too many responses here to reply to all of them individually so I'm just going to post some quotes here, more in response to other comments than the OP, but perhaps also a perspective to consider for OP as well.

"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."

  • George Orwell

And the shockingly only increasingly relevant full quote from Huey Newton, one of the founders of the Black Panthers party "Any unarmed people are slaves, or are subject to slavery at any given moment. If the guns are taken out of the hands of the people and only the pigs have guns, then it's off to the concentration camps, the gas chambers, or whatever the fascists in America come up with. One of the democratic rights of the United States, the Second Amendment to the Constitution, gives the people the right to bear arms. However, there is a greater right; the right of human dignity that gives all men the right to defend themselves."

I'd really ask more people to consider their position of privilege, to be less afraid of state sanctioned or enabled violence of all forms than some crazy neighbor with guns who was likely failed many times by that very state to have come to this point. Please just consider the counterpoint, that armed minorities are harder to oppress, and that far, far more people have been killed by state sanctioned and enabled violence, than by access to firearms by "the common people".

I'm not telling anyone that they're wrong, I'm just asking that you really internalize and consider this perspective. Thank you for reading and thinking.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I am very leftist and somewhat split.

Modern guns are an engineering marvel and I can understand if someone is fascinated in the precision and engineering knowledge needed to construct them - the same way some people are fascinated by mechanical watches, steam engines, etc.

They are also a necessary tool for some jobs - I can worked alongside these and in theory am trained to handle one(but haven't had a gun in my hand for 15 years if you don't count two instances I had to take it from a patient before law enforcement arrived). So I am very happy that the people who need to have it have modern,safe, versatile and easy to handle guns at their disposal. And I want these people to have the best training,the best equipment and the best recruitment and background check possible.

This brings me to another point: I am sternly against people using "shooting" (large calibers) as a hobby and the whole gun culture around it - we see in the US this can easily become a purpose on it's own and the detrimental effects it has on everything, from mental health care,policing, emergency medicine to the political culture, even influencing their neighbours negatively.

Go for small calibers all you want, no problems with that. But there is no reason an average private citizen needs a 9mm or a AR15 (even with manual fire)as a hobby or for self defence here. (There might be some very rare cases when people are under so much threat for their life that it is different - but these are really rare and tbh should require the same amount of training a professional carrier needs)

Hunting is a bit different, but even there I see problematic behaviour within recreational hunting. I am not at all against hunting per se, it's absolutely an requirement in most industrial nations to keep the ecological balance in the few remaining ecosystems and is the most ethical source of meat available.

But again in some nations a subculture around it has formed that is not healthy,not required to maintain biodiversity and ecological balance, etc. My shire owns large wooden areas and has decided to switch to (semi-) professional hunters quite a while ago, they are payed to hunt according to a ecological plan, do not get less or more money if they are successful, the shire sells the meat to the inhabitants for relatively cheap prices. This model has been proven (scientifically) to be successful as it allows very targeted hunting, e.g. to keep animal tracks away from certain roads, to intentionally allow the reintroduction of larger predators,etc.

[–] billwashere 1 points 14 minutes ago

Let me preface this with I’m very liberal so I’m not attacking anyone but I’m also a physics nerd so…

Anyway, is a .22LR a small caliber? Because the difference between a .22LR (5.66mm) and the typical shell in an AR15 (5.7mm) is only 0.04mm, about the size a small human hair. A better distinction is muzzle energy which is a function of mass of the projectile and velocity of the projectile. I mean a typical paintball is bigger the a 50BMG. It just doesn’t weigh very much or go very fast. So caliber is a terrible measure for your purposes.

[–] kerrigan778 3 points 1 hour ago

"very leftist" "wants police to have lots of versatile guns and the populace to not" I'm confused.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I hate why they exist. I like how they represent a mastery of engineering, material science, chemistry, and physics.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

there are antimaterial guns as well.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Guns are made to make a tiny piece of metal go very fast. You don't have to use them to kill or think about using them to kill. You can, for example, use them as a remote light switch or their most popular use: remote hole punch. Healthy society shouldn't have to ban guns since they would be used for completrly non violent things, same a swords and bows.

I mean you could shoot at the sun to combat global warming even.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Making a piece of something go fast is a purpose of any accelerator. Trains go fast along the rail, and are driven by an engine - or, in case of maglev, sort of the rail itself.

Guns are engineered specifically to be most effective at killing or injuring people. Sure, it's people who put them to action, but it's also people who make them as deadly (or otherwise efficient at hurting people) as possible. It's insane we just look at this industry and haven't closed it for good, forever.

Please, use an electrical switch next time you want to turn the light off.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So are bows and swords and crossbows. But they don't have hillbillies ruining their public image. I see no harm in having guns around for recreational and hobby purposes as long as they are only in the hands of people who can safely store and operate them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Honestly I'd rather not have a man on the street with a real sword/bow/crossbow either, and the only reason we may find it less threatening nowadays is that we know there are more perfect weapons that could be used to take such a man down very quickly should he become a tangible threat - and that he himself would use should he go crazy about killing people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Swords are actually the only weapons specifically designed to kill people. Every other weapon used by humanity is or was a tool for another task at one point. Axes can be used to cut down trees, maces are just fancy hammers, and spears were the first real hunting tools for large game. Swords stand above all other weapons in that it's use is specifically engineered to be as dangerous to humans as possible. It's too long to be used effectively as a knife and too fragile to use as any other tool. It's almost as dangerous to the person wielding it as the person it's used on. It's remarkable how every other killing tool used by man has other purposes, but the sword really has just the one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

I can only hope that this is satire

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago

Here in Germany this is a quite popular Opinion. If you have an open fascination for guns, you will be looket at like a serial killer or someone who will be going amok. And wont be allowed to be a police officer (the almost only people to wield a gun in public)

[–] dreikelvin -2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I hate that "playing a VR game" is litterally just gun slinging but with a goofy looking helmet

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Some VR games, you have a sword. Some, you have a bow.

A bunch are very much like Wii-style bowling & sports simulations.

Some are adventure games. And some are puzzle games.

[–] Opisek 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe you're playing the wrong VR games?

[–] Bacano 2 points 2 hours ago

Gonna recommend ultrawings here. It's an arcade VR flight sim. Keeps the flying fun and simple with different vehicles. I think it takes inspiration from pilot wings for the n64

[–] lemming741 -2 points 4 hours ago

and only the state should have them

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess you live in the US - well, I sure hope you do.

In the US I believe that guns are like pick-up trucks: far more people own them to plug gaps in their personality than the number of people who own them because they need their utility.

My personal view - and a generally held one - is that guns are a tool and to fetishise a tool is… weird; and suggests to me a troubled mind.

[–] czardestructo 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

You've never shot one and you're trying to rationalize it,eh? They're simply a lot of fun to understand mechanically and to use. I have mine for home defense and fun, nothing more. No fetish, no mental problems, I hardly even think about them. They're simply an impractical tool.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I use guns. I use a lot of other tools, too. My chainsaw doesn’t define my personality, so why would a gun?

[–] czardestructo 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

See I think that's where you're getting lost. Most gun owners are not defined by their guns. They just own them and mind their own business. You're seeing all gun owners as those military cosplaying scared little boys that put bullets all over their trucks with gun maker stickers to let the world know they really like guns. The vast majority of gun owners are not tools owning tools.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

Uh, that’s essentially what my first comment is saying… that’s why I assumed the poster was from over in the US - the rest of the world ain’t really like that. The vast majority of gun owners across the world are normal people; who just happen to own guns, amongst other possessions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I really like my electric leaf blower. It's a lot of fun to just turn it on and watch all the leaves and dirt fly off the sidewalk so effortlessly. You just squeeze the trigger and it blows, you don't need to pull a string or prime it or anything.

I enjoy it so much that the path to the front door is always clear, despite being under a tree that constantly drops leaves.

But leaf blowers don't kill, and I don't have vinyl stickers on my car bragging about my leaf blower. Or shirts stating it's my legal right to own a leaf blower. It's just a tool that I enjoy using.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

The rise of battery leaf blowers gives me hope that humanity can be saved. I hope you have many happy years with it. It’s an incredibly satisfying pastime.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

God made man. Samuel Colt made him equal.

Any tool used incorrectly is a significant danger.

I already found the ideas and the people who hold those ideas that you're referencing are a minority who are scared fanatic and unreasonable and those are the type of people that should not have guns or tools of any capacity.

However, someone like you who wants one for protection and the ability to protect those around you regardless of circumstance are why it's important to protect gun rights in my opinion.

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