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[–] [email protected] 235 points 5 days ago (154 children)

You did it "undecideds" and "both sides" people: You saved Palestine! /s

[–] JeeBaiChow 84 points 5 days ago (11 children)

'but we had no choice' - dumbfuks

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 5 days ago (32 children)

I agree with you. To anyone who still pretends Trump and Kamala were equally terrible with regard to Palestine: Kamala vocally supported an end to the war* and a two-state solution**, a prevailing US diplomatic philosophy. Please watch what Trump said tonight— it is so much worse than that. He advocates for the full removal of Palestinian people from their homeland. 

*it is a genocide and not a war, I disagree with her. 

**a two-state solution is not adequate as long as Israel continues to act as it does currently. Free Palestine. I disagree with her.

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[–] TheTimeKnife 49 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"The gang saves Palestine"

Cue sunny intro

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[–] Stamets 109 points 5 days ago (83 children)

Just a not even remotely friendly reminder that if you are American, eligible to vote and didn't vote for Kamala then you actively voted for this. Actively voted for genocide. If you didn't vote you're even fucking worse because at least the Republicans were willing to openly say what horrible people they are. You just don't care.

The United States is a failed country, a terrorist state and should be wrenched away from its people. You do not deserve to have a country that large with that much power when you are incapable of agreeing on a singular fucking thing. The United States should be forcibly broken up into at least 2, if not more, countries that can make up a trade bloc. This bullshit of getting everyone killed from coast to coast because of your pathetic patriotic ego of "wahhhhhhh but my countryyyyyyyyyy"

Fuck the United States.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I want to say I'm amazed at the shit fucking takes to justify awful choices that directly lead to a fascist overthrow in response to your comment. But these types love to justify their choices even though they directly lead to an open fascist takeover of our country because BoTh SiDeS bAd because they couldn't be bothered to engage in harm reduction and are ok with Gaza getting glassed and a probable trans genocide at home.

Fuck anyone who uses genocide to justify the situation where we now get more genocide, they never actually cared about it in the first place aside from talking points. Either that, or talk is more important than action. Either way, their opinions are meaningless to me as I help my trans homies survive.

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[–] friend_of_satan 67 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Punk rock predicted this.

Propagandhi - Haille Sellasse Up Your Ass

"The West Bank, The Gaza Strip, soon will be parking lots for American tourists, and fascist cops"

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[–] regrub 116 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Their strategy is to overwhelm the news cycle with distractions. Stay focused.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

All, please read this article (NYT gift link) - this IS and has been the strategy. Blitzkrieg policy while distracting the "stupid" media with outrageous, ultimately meaningless distractions.

From the ever flatulent Steve Bannon: "All we have to do is flood the zone. Every day we hit them with three things. They’ll bite on one, and we’ll get all of our stuff done."

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 days ago (2 children)

On what? It's all crazy. "We're going to invade Gaza" is just as insane as "we're going to put 18 year olds in charge of the Treasury", "eliminate the department of education" or "win the war on diversity".

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yeah people keep saying "this is just a distraction" to, like, very single story. So what are they distracting from? Please tell us, because all of it is fucking awful.

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[–] Redex68 72 points 4 days ago

"It seems that there might finally be a temporary peace in gaza... wait, it's, it's, BY GOD IT'S THE US COMING FROM BEHIND WITH A STEEL CHAIR"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I don't know bout y'all, but I certainly did not have "annex Gaza and turn it into a beach resort" on my 2025 Q1 bingo card.

[–] dellish 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The more I read comments like this, the more I realise nobody really paid attention in the lead up to the election. They even had artists impressions of beach front development for crying out loud.

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[–] Magister 75 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Panama, Greenland, Canada, Gaza, what else? The world?

[–] [email protected] 73 points 5 days ago (4 children)

new zealand's underground movement to keep it off world maps about to pay off.

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[–] GeneralEmergency 27 points 4 days ago

Shock

To people who weren't paying attention probably

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago
[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago

Trump doesn't speak for his citizens. "Trump" is the one who wants it

[–] Treczoks 44 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Trump is a real estate guy. That's why he wants Canada and Greenland: lots of undeveloped real estate. Never mind that the reason for this is given by being non-developable.

And now Gaza: he actually thinks that he just has to move a few million people somewhere, and turn it into his personal luxury resort.

Do you want another 9/11? That's how you get another 9/11.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 days ago (6 children)

I'm starting to adjust to the Trump term and learn how not to be disappointed with these news stories - here's my one simple trick:

Expect news tomorrow to be worse than today, in ways you can't even imagine. Each day repeat this process, with new baseline lowered expectations from the day before. It's that easy!

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago (4 children)

the thing is, i expected 'bad'. we got 'worse' instead.

then i expected 'even worse', and we got 'what the fucking hell?' repeatedly.

and it's been downhill with no end in sight, since.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Abstentionists be like "we did it! we saved Gaza!"

Abstentionists are dumbasses.

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[–] CaptPretentious 16 points 4 days ago (4 children)

As an American... that dumbass doesn't speak for me. I sure as fuck didn't vote for him. I'm unfortunately stuck with him. But I have no want to take over any land... anywhere. Trump should man up, take ownership, and say HE wants to take over Gaza strip, Panama, Canada,... Earth.

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[–] finitebanjo 36 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Its not shocking because he told us this plan last month.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I recall reading months ago that Jared Kushner visited and was calling it prime beachfront property then. 🤷‍♂️

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[–] Poem_for_your_sprog 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Shock? I'm surprised Trump didn't start bombing it on day one.

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[–] dejected_warp_core 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

WASHINGTON, Feb 4 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said the U.S. would take over the war-ravaged Gaza Strip and develop it economically

The scope of this statement is a shock, but the motivation that led to it, isn't. That said, I hate everything about this.

I'm not the first to bring this up, but it bears repeating. This is colonialism, plain and simple. That, in turn, is an outcome of unchecked capitalism. Practiced ideologically (i.e. as the guiding light in one's life), it holds up "exploitation at all costs" as a virtue. Second to that is "give your competition no quarter." Combined, that explains the current state of affairs.

We all may be used to thinking of colonialism as some thing that ended on one more more independence days in the last 300 years or so. In reality, the engines of commerce and industry that made that happen kept right on running. Since nation-state-sized real-estate deals like this don't come along very often anymore, these animals are quick to react and pounce before someone else figures out how to exploit the situation.

As an aside: the attitudes and values that enabled things like the US westward expansion, slavery, classism, eradication of indigenous peoples, environmental destruction in the pursuit of minerals, pollution and litter from energy extraction, etc., are still alive and well in the population. Being this kind of evil is insanely profitable under the right conditions, which confers an outsized advantage to reproduction and social influence. Which is to say that it's not the ideology of capitalism that propels these values to stay with us, but rather the other way around. It's as though those colonists with exploitation in their hearts are still very much with us, and that's something to keep an eye on.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago (3 children)
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[–] ZILtoid1991 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I knew it will end up like this when protest non-voters said they won't vote for "Holocaust Harris"...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People should be free to vote outside the two party system while still counting their votes against the Republicans.

Democrats made such a situation inevitable by keeping 3rd parties from participating in the electoral process on a even playing field in states they control. Who could say no to having more then one chance to beat the Republicans? The Democratic Party alongside the republicans.

Both parties are not the same, but why did they both want the same mathematically flawed voting system?

Videos on Electoral Reform

First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

STAR voting

Alternative vote

Ranked Choice voting

Range Voting

Single Transferable Vote

Mixed Member Proportional representation

Democrats dont get to raise the gates of the electoral castle, declare themselves the sole and only defender of this countries liberty, and also get to escape 100% of the blame for when that plan goes to shit eventually.

The United States of America is more important then the Democratic Party. Why weren't they acting like it? Why was the DNC putting their party's needs of easy elections and safe seats over the needs of the country?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not shocking at all unless you've been under a rock and don't know who he is

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago

"Shock", only people getting shocked are the centrist that arent far righters but actually believed in the shit they spread. But as always nobody learns from anything.

[–] Atin 17 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I for one would love for him to go to Gaza.

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