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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25117460

Summary

Elon Musk claimed on X that he eliminated the IRS team responsible for the "Direct File" program, which allows Americans to file taxes online for free.

His statement came in response to a right-wing influencer criticizing the program as government overreach.

However, the Treasury Department confirms that the Direct File system remains active, offering free tax filing with customer support.

The program, available in English and Spanish, is optional, allowing taxpayers to choose between using it or filing their taxes manually.

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[–] Carvex 253 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I think I'll skip paying taxes this year, my religion states I cannot support terrorist groups.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Good luck with that.

But, in all seriousness: Everyone should do their taxes ASAP. If you are due a refund? File very quickly. If you owe money? Wait until the last possible minute. Because there are decent odds that we don't have an IRS after a month or two of this...


That said, DO make it a point to file state taxes regardless since those actually go toward things that, even in red states, are focused on the populace.

[–] Fredselfish 28 points 5 days ago (13 children)

To late he just got rid of what takes to do our fucking taxes. I REFUSE TO USE TURBOTAX OR HR BLOCK OR ANY OTHER PREDATORY TAX FILING COMPANY.

Guess no refund for us and no child tax credit.

Btw what the fuck is Congress doing? This motherfucker should not be able to do any of this, yet no one stopping him.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You do you. Personally, I want to get my money while I still can. But if you would rather throw away you and your children's money then ... 'kay.

Because there are basically 3 outcomes for the IRS at this point

  1. musk et al completely destroy it and insist that income tax is no longer a thing and only sales tax exists. I forget if this is part of project 2025 but it is something republicans have been arguing for decades because it predominantly hurts lower income households
  2. Democrats do their fucking job and intervene and we file taxes normally
  3. musk et al completely compromise the IRS and make it a point to attack "the little guy" so they can insist they are hard on crime while actively ignoring all their cronies who refuse to ever pay taxes again.

And if you truly refuse to use any software? You can file by hand. I did back in college when I couldn't afford even fricking turbotax.

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[–] [email protected] 167 points 5 days ago (9 children)

His statement came in response to a right-wing influencer criticizing the program as government overreach.

... HOW????? This movement simply has no real agenda or philosophy - they just want to burn everything down.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 5 days ago (4 children)

This movement simply has no real agenda or philosophy - they just want to burn everything down.

That is the agenda

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago

The government providing a free service that private companies charge for is considered overreach by the wealthy elite who stand to gain from holding a monopoly over access to a necessary thing.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This unelected fascist has no authority. Fuck him. Ignore him and refuse access...

[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 days ago (1 children)

According to Forbes, the only thing he actually deleted was the 18F's (group that created Direct File) Xitter account. Lol

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2025/02/04/irs-direct-file-still-working-this-tax-season-despite-musks-comments/

Really Musky of him to confuse the 2

[–] bitjunkie 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I mean his social media obsession was what really showed behind the curtain of his fraying sanity the past few years, so I'm not especially surprised that he can't seem to distinguish between a Twitter account and real life.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I love it when Nazi African fascists take control of the American monetary system.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (4 children)

How does he do this stuff? It's not like he's personally logging into the server and shutting down the website.

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[–] MITM0 49 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'm not sure he can do anything well.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Except Nazi salutes. That arm thrust was chock full of intent and came straight from the heart!

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee 104 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

How the hell does this lower costs?

right-wing influencer criticizing the program as government overreach.

So the right is against self-service now? wtf

[–] [email protected] 80 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This version of the right wing is against any service provided to the public for free which their own companies could profit from by charging for it. And they also, as a matter of principle, believe that the poor should be punished, and punished again.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago

So the right is against self-service now? wtf

You may want to look into Grover Norquist and his organisation Americans for Tax Reform. It is one of the most influential political lobbying groups in the United States, and it has the support of essentially the entire republican party. They essentially consider tax to be evil on principle and ask every politician to sign a pledge opposing any tax hike.

ATR is strongly against automatic filing, as they want to keep taxes difficult and complicated to stoke anti-tax sentiment. That is to say, they fear that if filing tax is easier, citizens would be less likely to fight taxes in the way that the ATR wants (mostly they like a low flat tax, because it's simple and good for rich people).

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[–] DarkFuture 86 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The sooner average Americans realize that these people are America's enemies, the sooner we can do something about it.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName 77 points 5 days ago (6 children)

You'd think that if DOGE was really DOGE that this is the exact kind of thing they'd double down on and make really good, saving everyone shit load of money.

[–] Blum0108 36 points 5 days ago (3 children)

You'd think that's the case, if you thought saving money or helping average Americans was actually their goal. The American government is being carved up as fast as they can get away with it. Gotta free up cash to give billionaires more tax cuts!

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[–] Snapz 15 points 5 days ago

Oh, you see, you fucked up like... three words into your comment

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[–] edg 45 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Arrest his ass and lock him away for life!

[–] NikkiDimes 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We can buy rope at Home Depot.

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[–] SoftestSapphic 62 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Cruelty is the point. The goal is to make the lives of impoverished people harder.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children)

A right-wing MAGA influencer called the "direct file" tax program a "far left /.../

Here in Estonia, the castle of "far left" in Europe (shh, don't spoil the joke, comrades, we want them to think we're dark red here ;) )...

...for something like 15 years already, you file your taxes like this:

  • some day in February, your internet bank reminds you to send a report to the tax office
  • you click "send"
  • some day in February, you read in a newspaper that "you can file your taxes now"
  • you open up emta.ee, log in with your ID card, and see a pre-filled declaration
  • if you're lucky (99% are), it's been filled correctly and you click "confirm", otherwise you click "edit"
  • you get to see if you have returns or need to pay extra
  • if you have returns, you can choose if you want the money (typically if it's big, you do) or want to donate the small change to a non-profit

It typically takes about 15 minutes.

If it's a bad year and the automatically filled declaration was incorrect, things will differ of course - then you wait until next winter for a court to resolve the dispute. If you can write a complaint in legalese, it costs about 20 €, but if you need a lawyer, you shell out real money. I've had a bad year once. Most people never have one.

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[–] mohammed_alibi 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Deport this asshole back to South Africa

[–] NikkiDimes 23 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Unfortunately, he's now an American citizen. Fortunately, we have treason charges for this kind of thing :).

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[–] Buffalox 66 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (12 children)

In Denmark We've had easy tax filing on the Internet for more than a decade, and before that it was also extremely easy, as we got a form with all the usual data filled out, and we only had to send in if we had changes. I haven't done my taxes for 30 years!!!
Except when we bought a house we've had a few tax deductions on energy saving changes, which took 2 minutes to enter.

Every piece of standard information is collected automatically, like wages, bank info, stock profits, real estate taxes, and the rest if you have anything additional is super easy to fill out. The old paper tax return form is AFAIK completely abandoned since more than a decade ago.

USA under Trump with Elron Musk making it even worse is what we would call working like monkeys in a cage. If they really end this program, it makes it more difficult to do your taxes, AND cost tax payers MORE!!

[–] SacredHeartAttack 59 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Thanks, we know the rest of the modern world has it better in literally every way literally everywhere else. Can someone just like invade and save us please?

[–] Buffalox 44 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Unfortunately USA is extremely good at violence, probably the best in the world, so I guess you'll just have to fight it out amongst yourselves. But I wish all the best to all the reasonable Americans, that still believe in decency and democracy.

[–] QuincyPeck 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is most accurate and depressing assessment of the United States I have ever read.

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[–] Cocodapuf 34 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Really increasing efficiency there. You know... efficiency aside, making it easier to file taxes is one of the very few things that can actually make more money!

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Man who pays someone else to do his taxes makes it harder for people who do their own taxes because he doesn't seem to understand how annoying and frustratingly difficult it is to file in USA

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 days ago

He understands. His cronies make big bank from paid services.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 days ago

Nothing makes the government more efficient than cleaning house on the group responsible for bringing money into the government and which has an ROI of 5.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Is he heavily invested in TurboTax or something?

[–] SGG 15 points 5 days ago

He's invested in suffering and making a profit. So yes.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'd bet good money he's never done his own taxes in his life

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Haha! Joke's on them, people are so broke most just use the Form 1040 or Form 1040-SR (replaced 1040EZ) forms.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago

Oh man.

In Germany this would mean dismantling the only functioning digital government service. Haha.

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