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Source unknown, some sites assign it to Oppressive Silence comics by Ethan Vincent. But that website in the corner is shady

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2rHcqYr/

silly chess educational tiktok to ummm not have this happen.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 day ago
[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 1 day ago

I suck at chess so badly.

I castle my king because I think castling is cool.

[–] fargeol 82 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago

This comic is indeed by oppressive silence comics by Ethan Vincent.
He seems to have disappeared from the internet in mid-2018. This comic titled draw seems to have been his second to last published comic.

Archived link to his website.
xcancel link to his twitter.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] OwlPaste 212 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Queen moves into a space that stops king from moving as you cannot move into a check. It's a forced draw.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago (8 children)

What’s the benefit to the game of this being a draw instead of an obvious loss to white?

[–] Pacattack57 2 points 15 hours ago

Because not all positions are winnable and chess is more about records rather than 1 win or loss. For example 1 person beating another person 1 time is meaningless. 10-3-2 record means something else entirely.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

In theory black could play poorly and give the queen away by placing it next to the white king, then if the white king takes the black queen it would be a draw. Why would black do such a thing? Well playing poorly also means stalemating your opponent in an obviously winning position, which also happened here.

You can argue it's an "obvious win", just like I could argue if I'm a piece up it's an "obvious win" for me. But just because it's obvious doesn't mean the result is guaranteed to happen.

Also I guarantee you not everyone can actually checkmate a king with just a queen and king. So in fact it's not so obvious for a super beginner.

As for the benefits of the actual mechanism itself, in some positions you can actually force a draw or stalemate where you'd either otherwise be losing, or you are unclear of your advantage. For example in one of my games I was chasing the King around with my Rook where if the king took my rook, it would be stalemate, and if they didn't take my rook I would keep checking the king (while making sure the distance between my rook and their king is 0).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I appreciate all of these super in depth responses, but man does it validate my decision to never invest any time into chess lmao.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Never liked that rule. The king should be a capturable piece and be allowed to step into checks. It might make the game harder at a beginner level but it gets rid of the anticlimactic stalemates. It won't get rid of draws because the repetition rule still applies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

In Chinese variant of chess, the king (general) can be forced to step into check thus resulting in losing the game. But most games just stop there when the king has no "legal move" and yield.

[–] Evolith 167 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"You didn't win correctly." - Chess (The original Dark Souls-themed tactical grid-based roguelike war game)

[–] SkyezOpen 61 points 2 days ago (4 children)

They'll fix it in chess 2.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Na the last patch to chess was 400 years ago. I don't think it is being actively developed anymore.

[–] ZoopZeZoop 14 points 2 days ago

Or in one of the paid dlcs.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 2 days ago

Stalemate rules mean that a player in a heavily disadvantaged position still has the opportunity to play for a draw, whether that comes from their own clever play or a mistake from their opponent (what happened in the comic).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

I don't know anything about chess but I imagine one benefit would be to give the losing player one last opportunity to avoid a loss by being strategic and give the winning player the need to still think about their moves instead of just randomly moving around since they know they will win otherwise.

[–] Vigge93 24 points 2 days ago

In a competitive setting, it would mean that both players get 0.5 points instead of white getting 0 and black getting 1 points.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Depends.

If the goal is to just play a game with a clear winner and loser, there's no benefit at all.

But that isn't what chess is. It's more like a strategy game where there are multiple outcomes that would reflect degrees of skill and thinking.

If you're already behind, but you can pull off a stalemate, that's hard. In some ways, it's harder than winning in the first place. It means that you and the other player are well matched. I've heard serious players rattle on about difficult draws the way football (both types) fans will talk about decisive victories of their favorite team. They'll pick the moves apart and use those moves and tactics in their own games.

I was never a serious chess player at all. I simply don't have the willingness to study it the way you have to to be really good at it. It felt too derivative for my preferences. But I can still remember more of my close games and draws than I can my wins because it took more of the kind of gameplay I enjoy, where you're kinda winging it and calculating based on your own way of thinking instead of relying on a body of research and theory.

Mind you, there's nothing wrong with that at all. The folks that play high level chess are amazing, and I fully respect the work they put into grokking chess at that level. I'm just saying that isn't fun for me, and I play board games of any type for fun and companionship, not personal improvement or a sense of competitiveness.

Which, going back, is why I can recall my draws better than my wins or losses. They were me having fun and managing to hang with smarter, better players by dint of sinking into the play of it.

But when one of those players pulls off a draw from disadvantage? That's fucking art, it's mastery of a complicated but finite set of possibilities.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Thanks for the word grokking.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago

It forces players to focus on the game no matter how much of an advantage they have.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

This + no other piece is allowed to move

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Huh? I thought having no valid moves that wouldn't lead to the king's death was a loss. How DO you lose then?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago

That would be the case if the king was currently in check, but as he's currently on a safe space then it's stalemate

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Wrong move, stalemate (white has no legal moves). White gets off with a draw.

[–] aleq 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Is this some special rule? Looks like check mate to me?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago

It's a stalemate

[–] PDFuego 26 points 2 days ago

It's only checkmate if he's currently in check and has no legal moves afaik.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

The queen can't take the king from that position, so he's not in check, so it's not check mate.

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